As far as I know we don't have T.gigantea in the US. We have T.agrestis, and yes, that spider causes bites. One of the reasons people get bitten is because we have no T.gigantea.
In Europe, the larger gigantea competes with agrestis and pushes it out from human habitations, leaving the harmless giants in contact with humans, and the medically significant agrestis out in the country ( which is why you don't hear of agrestis bites from Europe-- the spiders inhabit fields and railways; and railways, I have heard, are gov't property and so trespassing on them is illegal.
The removed habitat of T.agrestis thus makes bites less likely due to decreased exposure to humans). Here we have no such inhibition on agrestis, and it is able to colonize human dwellings and cause bites. This is what I have read anyway.
Thats strange because I have never seen an agrestis anywhere in the UK.. We have the domestica but that is very similar to the gigantea.. My house is full of them.
As far as I know we don't have T.gigantea in the US. We have T.agrestis, and yes, that spider causes bites.
One of the reasons people get bitten is because we have no T.gigantea
T. gigantea are actually quite common in the US.
When T.agrestis made it's way from Europe to the US, it adapted to living near human dwellings as opposed to the fields as is the case in Europe. Many believe that T.agrestis name is due to it's "aggressive" nature (which is not true), however, the name literally means "mat weaver of the field"
Identification between T.domestica, agrestis, and gigantea really needs to be done by a qualified arachnologist. Morphological characteristics and locale are not very reliable.
Is it true that they bite over there in America? Anyone been bitten?
T.gigantea are quite gentle and can be easily handled. The same is true for T.agrestis and domestica.
The purported bites are likely the result of the unexpected and desparate situations in which the spider has no other option. Even in the web, you can shoo them out with your hands with little worry of sustaining a bite.
The valid name of Tegenaria gigantea is Tegenaria duellica. It is indistinguishable in size and general appearence from Tegenaria atrica and some other large species, but much bigger than Tegenaria domestica. I personally don´t think it would be any problem for their fangs to penetrate human skin. There is actually a report from Sweden of a severe bite of a T. atrica. So don´t play too much with those pets...
Another interesting fact is that Tegenaria spiders don't digest their food like most other spiders do. Instead of using a digestive liquid, they literally chew their prey until they can "eat" it. That's why it takes up to twice as long to lunch for those spiders.
They also cannot climb smooth surfaces like glass that's why you often find them in bathtubs or in the shower.
Another interesting fact is that Tegenaria spiders don't digest their food like most other spiders do. Instead of using a digestive liquid, they literally chew their prey until they can "eat" it. That's why it takes up to twice as long to lunch for those spiders.
Yes, they chew their prey into pieces, like many other spiders do, but I think they spit up digestive liquid into the chewed prey like other spiders which chew their prey do, and then suck it up.
Nor do I think Tegenarias can run at something between 8 and 12 mph. That´s actually as fast as a trotting wolf. Tests in England in the 1970s revealed that Tegenaria atrica could run at 1.9 km/h or 1.18 mph (over short distances). But that´s anyway very fast for a small creature. If compared to size it is equivalent of a 2 metre tall man (or woman) running at a speed of 720 km/h (480 mph)!
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Geez so many audience experts. She clearly stated she's had them like this for months with no issue. And it is true that their natural aggressive nature can be muted some over time and captive breeding just as with other domesticated animals. I'm sure there are some that are more aggressive than others.that might not thrive in this type of environment but these are clearly healthy, well taken care of fish.
I cant believe of what i'm seeing rite now..๐ญ.. why u all bettas keeper turn that warrior fish into SISSY..??
Betta or plakat or what ever u all call it.. is a "fighting fish" and its was meant to fight, not making babies?!?! .. its so ironis when u all turn the MMA fighter into a ballerina.. sheeshhh..
That fish shows their true colour during the fight and they also shows their true different colour when they lost the fight.. i bet u all bettas keeper never seen that before..๐
I have a betta fish (kody) for almost 2 years in a nice 3 gallon. Has nice plans. I feed him 2 times at day. (I rotate pebbles, blood worms, flakes). I’m thinking in getting him a female or 2. Getting a 5 gallon tank. I’m worry something going wrong. I love my fish I feel he doesn’t want to be alone :(
BETTA SPLENDENS WERE BRED OVER 600 YEARS AGO FROM WILD CAUGHT VARIETIES WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSE BEING TO FIGHT THE MALES. THEY WERE BRED FOR AGGRESSION AND THOUGH THIS INDIVIDUAL HAS DONE IT YOU SHOULDN'T FOLLOW THE IGNORANT ADVICE GIVEN HERE. Sorry for the caps but I wanted this to catch people's attention. Do not put your fish through this. The males are not suitable to be housed together.
I recently kept Betta, and i have to say, the best fish ever, i got a sorority off 5 females in a 100 litres, and a male in a 60l, wonderful and social fish.
How big of a tank should a tank be to put just 2 males in?I only have 2 males because the females weren't veil tails I think or they just weren't the color my sister wanted because she was paying for my 2nd betta fish.
People need to stop complaining to her about how you can't put
betas together. Last time I checked all betas are different. Some are
more aggressive than others.
They will fight whatever u do!
This is only a distraction given to those males for a little amount of time!
I recommend not to share these ideas
U are encouraging people to follow this stupid idea!
I can guarantee this is not the current situation.
If u are keeping them still like this!
Let me know by comment.
I have a community tank and i have 2molly 3platy 3betta and
3corydoras and they're doin fine BTW it's a 10galloon but im planning to
buy i bigger tank
I tried once with two male batta fishes in same tank with other
fishes. With less vegetation . It's fight each other so I separated.
How I get this much vegetation on my aquarium.
I have 2 males in with 9 females, no problems at all, males flare
at each other but females are an added distraction so never fight. All
live happily together just fine ๐
was there an order that you introduced them to the tank in? just
curious if they can all be released at once or if you should do some
type of order for them
I have a 50 gal heavily planted tank with bettas that I've
successfully bred (well successful because a few strong ones lived). 4
males 4 females and they all get along so well. The females and males
have their areas they like, but they do not try to kill each other. They
are a year old now and still no problems. I've introduced a new little
female who fits right in.
I just got a male twin tail for my tiny female. The female is
peewee and the male is Freddie Mercury. He flaired and circled her and
she just ignored him now theyre doing fine. Its been 15 minutes now and
no fighting! :3
I have just two males in my 20 gal long tank... I think they'll be
fine. They've been there for almost a month now and there aren't even
no torn fins, bites, any kind of injury to their bodies or fins and of
course, both are still alive. I have a video of it on my channel, if,
you like to take a gander. I definitely think I got lucky and it all
depends on the two male fish's personality. But, I'm not a betta fish
whisperer so I don't really know. All I know is that they're fine in my
20 gal l tank....
I've had two male bettas in the same 75 gal. planted tank for 21/2
years now. Still waiting for them to kill each other. They're kind of
buddies, go figure.
can someone recommend how many female bettas on a 70L tank . and
can I add 1 male without them breeding (do they breed with a heat change
like goldfish)(and I'm not in the dark I have a community aquarium wich
is 95 L)
this is cool and possible (I believe). I had three females and one
male in 40L without plants and I never had any problems (It was 7-8
years ago). probably, I will try with 6 females and 2 males in 180L with
a lot of plants. Can you give me advice about how to choose males when I
buy them. If there si any advice :D
(I am from Europe, from Serbia. Sorry if there si some mistakes in my
english :D )
okapi323 until death ? Maybe the original plakat from the wild, but the fancy Bettas it looks more like a rap battle. Given room for the loser to swim away, after they do their flaring dance no one is dying ... the key is space and lots of vegetation. For instance if you leave female in with male in the small breeder space after they finish , yes he could cause her real damage because needs to protect fry, but that's a breeding behaviour not their social one
okapi323 it depends on the personality of the bettas... there are horror stories of males getting to each other and fighting to the death. It happens quite often.
AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella You are horribly misinforming people. As far as betta splendens (domestic bettas) there is no "in the wild". Betta splendens were speciated out of a few varieties of their wild cousins through intensive selective breeding over 600 years ago in Thailand. The were developed with the sole initial purpose of fighting the males, hence the name Siamese fighting fish. You're horribly ignorant on actual betta history. Betta splendens, the species you're addressing was developed to fight the males. That's what they were made to do. This "in the wild" stuff you keep spouting is also erroneous. Wild bettas are much more peaceful than domestic. I think it's shameful that you're pushing this potentially dangerous information.
AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella i agree but if there was a large tank housing all the bettas at a pet store they will most likely not get along. Because there would be new fish every week and it could change the attitude of the other fish. But i honestly think it would be a much better life for them if they atleast came in tanks alone:))
How do bettas make it in the wild? They have to live near each other in order to mate. So in theory if one can replicate that same atmosphere in a domestic setting then there should be no problems.
sweetheart... SEPARATE THEM NOW, else you WILL be sorry. Its no joke, no myth, ticking time bomb indeed... just wait til one has a bad day
and nevermind all your fluff, just look at their fins... they are slowing killing eachother... you achieved nothing but being a poor fishkeeper... please reconsider, and stop with the cutesy voice to help ignore the problem you're creating!
This is exactly what I said. Wait until the beta male gets fed up of the alpha, or when one of those male fry matures and either pisses off one of the males or challenges them.
Oh dear god.....I would NEVER do this. I've been raising them for 20 years. No way and what do you do with the trillions of frys????? This is a terrible idea. All my boys have 27 litre tanks with heaters and filters and almond leaves with plenty of hiding places and each tank has an Otto and snail for tank mates and algae housekeeping. The frys just become snackables and plackets are beautiful. With lovely little personalities. My red white and blue one is amazing. Just as amazing as my crowntails and half moons etc.this video horrified me as a Betta lover and mother
+Kelly Moore Im sorry this video horrified you. But different setups can suit bettas. You know have had bettas for 20 years but by the looks of the comment I don't think you know them as well. Trillions of babies won't happen, bettas don't breed in any community settling, first must separate the male then add in the female. I only breed my bettas when I wish to have a new strain. Please check out my latest video about Betta and their fry
I kept one of my male bettas in a mixed tank with celestial pearl danios and pygmy corys and it was actually the betta that got beat up. They nipped his fins down i had to take him out
Been keeping fish most of my life and always had beta. 1 male 2 female. Never ever put 2 males together unless your tank is at least 4ft long and very well planted. Even then you're taking a risk. The fish in the video have short fins and don't pose a big display to each other. However. .You go buy 2 from the pet shop and see what happens. . Disaster.
Great video I have males living together too, in my experience males get along better with other males than with females also Koi and giant betas are placate so that just makes it more impressive that you pulled off this amazing tank
That's interesting. I want to build 3 aquarium's. All 3 will have about 100 liters each. And i wanted to connect these aquariums with bridges (so in total, i will have 300 liters for them). First i wanted to connect 2 out of the 3 aquariums. So that 1 male is separated, and the other one can swim to the femaless and back. And then after a few weeks/months switch the bridge, so that the other male can swim to the females and back. But if i see this it can work to connect all 3 aquariums, and let both males swim where they want.
Or do you think because i have 3 smaller aquariums it doesnt work?
I wanted to keep 2 males and 5 females. Are 5 females to little if i let 2 males swim around?
Don't fall for this... I put four males with eight females in a heavy planted 75 gallon aquarium with lots of hiding caves. The males manage to find each other in the corners of the tank. Within two weeks I had males with ripped up tails, one died. This is bull. They will find each other and it will not be pretty. Sure if you have the money to replace them as they die but some of us love them.... I wasted time and money on this setup... Thanks....
That's not enough females :/ too many males
Think of them like prides or quails
They need an adequate amount of females for each male if there's more than they can Mate with there won't be a problem
If there's only 2 each for 4 it's gonna get messy
you CANT add them one by one, because they establish a territory and will be violent to newcomers.
I've been raising/breeding bettas for 10+ years, this is an absolutely HORRIBLE idea. The only Bettas that can even SOMETIMES live together are females, and even with that you have a 50/50 chance.
It's clearly not Impossible. Certain fish are more aggressive than others so you basically just have to find some males that get along. Trying to get 4 to be friendly with each other is a lot harder than 2 because each male has to be okay with 3 other males. Finding males that will get along is challenging but not impossible. Don't blame her because of your lack of research
MrDank132 I own 13 bettas, how many do you own? I've been keeping them for 10 years, how long have you been keeping them? The bettas in this video are showing at least 3 signs of stress, one being the obvious fin damage. They might be "alive" but they're NOT happy fish.
Anony Ninja honestly the fact that people actually believe this video, I bet she hasn’t even checked the hormone levels in the water and how dangerously high it is. The fucking nerve.
I dont understand why some of these people are blaming the owner bc he "put in too many males". It was a 75Gallon!! Have u not seen a 75 in person?? Those things are massive, and with added plants cost a TON of money. Apart from this, in my opinion males should never be housed together, and males with females either
FROG FAN that is waay to many betas for a tank.
You shouldn’t mix the genders together unless it’s ONLY one male and one female.
And most beta species cants get along.
Some species of beta are bred to be social and together, some aren’t.
What you did was completely reckless and immature.
It’s amazing how some will have success with this set up and others fail.
I have a 75g planted aquarium. It’s been running for nearly three years now. I stocked my tank with fish 3 months after my plants. The tank is thriving with 7 Angels, 11 penguin tetras, 6 sword tails (2male/4female) 5 Cory cats, 3 female betas and a clown pleco.
The beta are often found on there own. Sometimes it appears they work in concert, searching the java moss or jungle Val for sword tail fry. Mostly they seem to tolerate each other as much as they do the other fish in our tank.
@Anony Ninja You're clownshoes man. Who do you think is happier, a guy who gets in a fight and hangs out with women, or a guy in solitary confinement?
I've kept three male Beta's in a 29 gallon tank. No death for almost a year and I don't even think that was another Beta.
What this girl and her critics are missing is that Fish are not uniform creatures who's behavior is dictated by their breed. I've had male Beta's that never fought anybody at all, and I've had a longfin Danio that killed every other longfin danio I had and two tetras before I just said the hell with it and put him into a cichlid tank, where he did fine for over a year.
@monokhem You are a complete idiot.
Bettas ARE NOT humans. They LIVE IN SOLITUDE. You CAN'T TREAT THEM THE SAME.
Also, in the wild or with humans, the loser of that fight can walk away, but in a closed area such as an aquarium, the loser can't get away, and will continue getting pursued until he is either killed or he dies of the stress.
So, very politely, please SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I used to have a 20 gal that was divided into 10gal each and had two males. Somehow they would find a way to get past the divider. But they didn't fight they would just swim together and chase all the baby mollies and corys in the tank. So i eventually just took the divider out and they live like that for a year, until they passed. ๐ข But thank you for the info. I'm planning on starting a sorority of betta.
I know this video means well but it's terrible advice, to everyone watching who believe they can put more bettas in their sparsely planted ten gallon. Yes it can be done, but should only be attempted by someone with experience and a very very large tank with many many plants.
The advice you're giving out in the comments as well isn't great. Cichlids are territorial yes but they also coexist in the wild. Betta fish in the wild do not socialize with each other and they won't socialize with each other in a tank. All you're doing is giving them unwanted stress. If you give them enrichment and even tankmates in other forms as well as lots of attention they won't be lonely. But adding another betta isn't the best course of action. Even adding tankmates is risky, they are solitary fish, most likely depending on your betta, they're fine alone.
Females bettas are also not all peaceful you can't expect to keep 2 in a tank with a male betta and expect them to get along.
This tank is an exception not the rule,
+Aquatic Life any fish will eventually fight even neon tetras nip fins. Bettas are intelligent fish so yes they will fight if something they don’t like. But my Community tank pretty much resolved all their Issues with each other
AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella "any fish will eventually fight" wow... Neon tetras spar for their pleasure. Sparing is different from fighting to the death.
AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella. You are also saying bettas are smarter so they point out things they don't like. That makes absolute no sense. You are acting as fish have a specific IQ that is different from other fish. That is not how it works. It has to do with the ways they survive and putting a bunch of bettas in a tank isn't doing it. Friendship isn't on a bettas survival list.
@AQUAZONE Izabella That is not true. A human becomes self-aware at 7 years of age. A fish with self-awareness does not exist. Maybe a cat or dog can have the IQ of a small child but definitely nothing less intelligent than that. Fish are a long way off.
@AQUAZONE Izabella your glad to know it worked elsewhere hey, that just goes to show that both of you got super lucky, and probably have the chillest bettas going. if this was something you were so sure of, you would not make it sound as tho you have never heard of this before.
@monokhem dude i have been keeping fish for many years, not only that but i have also been talking with people who rescue fish, bettas included. and even they agree with me. that they would not attempt a community betta tank like this. you stress the fish out big time.
@demonpride1975 Oh, you said "dude" before you spouted bullshit. Now you're credible. The fact that you express yourself in the manner of a borderline illiterate is really selling you as a fountain of information.
For all the people saying this is terrible advice need to realize you can't put a bunch of Bettas together at once. It will never work. You need to add the fish slowly like adding one fish every week or two. Also, you need lots of plants and especially plants that float. I buy those fake grass like plants they sell at petsmart that you put under the gravel with the tops sticking out and I take out the center plants which are detachable. This leaves an upside down floating platform that any betta can swim into and chill. You can definitely keep these fish together without any aggressive behavior and with other fish as well. I think it's pretty obvious that if you dump ten bettas together into a 20 gallon tank you might have issues. If that's what people got and assumed they could do from this video then yeah it's bad advice, otherwise, i think it's pretty clear that if you have a fish known to have an aggressive nature then you'll need to add a community one fish at a time. Any responsible fish owner would do so. To add a bunch of these fish together at once in a small tank is pretty rash and just plain stupid, however, I don't think this video is telling people to do this.
AQUAZONE Izabella I can't stand the flutuation in her voice...but I'm that way so...yes, not good advice at all. There seems to be many YouTube videos that "well, I've never..." Lol! Then shut your blowhole and handing out advice Lol!
no she is not right, why do people not understand this, bettas are territorial. you ad them slowly, and you will already have a male betta that shows dominant features. adding another one in later, will spring that territorial behavior, and they will fight.
This is even worse. If a betta already has an established territory and another betta is introduced, the first betta will surely become aggressive towards it. If you intend to keep any number of bettas together, you must introduce them at the same time so they can all make their own territories.
I tried 3 females in a 55gallon... one of them went around and killed the other two. She worked one by one... it was sad. My tank wasn't densely planted, and there weren't a ton of hiding places, maybe that was my problem. I've always wanted to work towards having a betta community tank
Superdood 425 it's not recommended to have only 2 female bettas especially if it's with a male betta as well. A ten gallon even heavily planted would be too small.
NO OMG NO! Don't listen to their advice.... males and females DO NOT live together, that will result in injury/death. Holy cow I can't believe she said yes............. females must be in large enough groups to spread out aggression as in too few of numbers they WILL fight and kill each other. Males should NEVER be with females, completely against their natural instincts.
I got 2 females betta in a 15Gallon for about 1 month,they just ignore each other.The thing is i got the together from the same breeder in the same time.It may work out if you buy the females in the same time from the same person.
Exactly. I've even read horror stories on forums about experienced aquarists still finding dead fish among a sorority that had seemingly been fine and adjusted. Regardless of tank size, people have said that it's a crap shoot w/sororities, and things can go wrong. Definitely not for beginners. There's apparently a certain way to add new fish for a "pecking order", having an appropriate number of females, providing enough hiding spot coverage, etc. Cramming them into a 10g would be like setting those poor things up for disaster, and an ugly death for sure. I wouldn't do it.
With all due respect, I understand what you mean about being against their instincts, as they're obviously together at some point to breed, yes...however, breeders don't keep them together for long. Sometimes they aren't even compatible, and one or both will fight and try to kill eachother if one or the other isn't ready to breed. Housing them together as a community will definitely result in one or more of them dead.
animal freak not meaning to offend or anything, but no need to cuss. At all. Both of you are right. The only way it isn’t natural instinct is when they breed, but males and females really shouldn’t be placed together unless breeding by experienced people. Besides, Colorful Fish/Meredith is experienced, and are you?
with males, if you want to breed ( or just for display) yes you can but be careful and watch very closely as the males can tend to grow aggressive towards females eventually. also never keep 2 males together as they will 100 percent
fight to the death. you can house several females together peacefully as they are less violent then males, but with this you must also be careful as to what fish you put with them because even though they wont attack the fish they might start chasing them around which could lead to death if not separated. one last thing (this is my opinion)
I wouldn't house these fish together as the male might attack the females but you could try.
I believe she meant that a betta should be placed on at least a 10 gallon tank and not left on the cup where it was in at the store.
She has a large tank for her bettas, so I dont belive she ment it was okay to group many bettas on a 10 gallon tank.
This is not a good idea. By all means give your bettas a big, planted tank, but do not keep them together, regardless of gender. The fact that these fish are not killing each other is pure luck, and eventually someone will snap. For every video of a seemingly successful sorority, there is one of a failed sorority. Betta splendens have been bred to kill each other for hundreds of years, and that instinct has not gone away. This is selfish when there are so many other pretty fish that are actually meant to be kept in school you could put in your tank instead.
@Cryoraptor I know, really. I hope the baby's parents teach them how to have educated discourse because as things are now they're just making an ass of themselves and doing nothing to prove their own point.
To keep multiple betta males: 1. Have a large and heavily planted tank. 2. Have surface plants and hiding spots, the groups (harem families) will establish territories. 3. Have enough females that each male can have at least 1. 2 or 3 to a male is even better.
Personally the only thing I think is missing is tannin, but I get it, most people aren't all too fond of black water tanks. Beautiful set up!
As for the haters below... yes if you put 2 males alone in a small space with nowhere to hide, they will fight each other and sometimes to the death, but give them the right environment they will live in a communal tank. They might posture to display dominance but they're not going to kill each other.
This video is a blatant LIE you can see there is cin damage on all the males but the alpha. And they will kill each other eventually. And this is animal abuse. Such ascumbag for forcing these beautiful creatures to be in the same territory. Nothing but a sadistic asshat for putting them in same tank!!
betta sorority tanks are very inhuman. they are solely for the humans happiness, there is no benefit at all to keeping betta’s together and results in unnecessary stress, fighting, and spread of disease
2 males?!?! You should only put one! The two fish are showing agression, later or soon, the males will fight to the death! What's worse? Those are plakats
John Nguyen yeah, plakats, are less selectively-bred betta for fighting. These plakats are more like wild bettas and wild bettas only spar for minutes not until death.
John Nguyen You clearly didn't watch the while thing. She had said that the Bettas she had were bred in captivity for a decade so there's no way they would fight they've never been in the wild.
2 questions: those bettas are flaring. How did you get them from being crazy to just flaring to each other with no injury? 2nd question: how did those babies survive long enough in the tank? Did you just leave them there or you raised them and then put them in this tank? Bettas often forage throughout the tank.
Pika Raichu Bettas don’t exist in the wild. They are hybrids bred in Thailand to look colorful and be aggressive. The wild bettas that they were bred from are much less aggressive then the ones you see in stores. And the ones you see in stores in tiny cups are too sick and stressed to fight. If they were healthy there is about an 98 percent chance they would fight. Their other less common name is literally siamese fighting fish.
Just because she tried something risky doesn't mean she's a genius about it. Some of those Bettas are showing signs of stress. Stress should only be normal for the first few months of the sorority. I'm not saying she's bad at keeping bettas, she's just giving the wrong information to "newcomers" of owning bettas.
Signs of stress on a betta include stress stripes, and clamped fins. Stress stripes are two long horizontal stripes that start from the head and end where the body meets the tail, and clamped fins are pretty self explanatory.
James U The light purple one is definitely showing stress strips. And it looks like the yellow and red one are showing it at times too but I can’t see for sure because of the lighting. Stress would be normal for the only first month of a sorority, I don’t know how long the bettas have been together so I don’t know if this would be good or bad. All I’m saying that this isn’t a good message to be putting out. People are going to try putting like a male and two females in a 5 gallon tank. Only to find them dead the next day.
this is all true, male bettas fight because mostly they are in a tiny tank,....what I think is they fight over the living space.
because I had 2 male bettas with 7 females, and they fought once, the reason is they were in a small tank, once I put them in a 30 gallon long( with the 7 females) they would both flare up and go their own ways.
Bred them, studied them for years... this is an absolute time bomb waiting to happen and very dangerous advice to give to people. These domestic, man created fish are bred to be more aggressive. They are not naturally social fish with one another and do not live together naturally. There is a reason they are sold separate. Just because they have not killed each other yet, does not mean they won't. If one of those males decides he wants to spawn, he will kill the other male. The females will fight each other and the last one standing will then spawn with the male. And if the female isn't removed from the tank, she too will be killed.
This is not something to be followed as it's going to end in disaster at some point and many people's fish are going to end up hurt or dead trying to copy this.
Called fighting fish for a reason.
Females can live together semi peacefully in a large enough group. Males do not live with females, they are solitary in their territory. They can live with other fish though depending on their temperament.
There is a reason why everyone who works with these fish for a living and studies them, breeds them, etc... does not do this.
+Colorful Fish thank you for your input! I have many tank to separate them into of the case and breed two males each months with two different females in a separate setting.
AquaZone Aquarium Services Mtl Izabella sure don't listen to a voice of experience. You are asking these fish to go against their very nature and when there is a bloodbath in one of your tanks you will have nothing to blame but your own stubborn ignorance. Thank god you don't buy from breeders so I never have to worry about any of my fish ending up in your persistently incompetent hands.
I agree with you.. however I do have two bettas in one tank. One female and one male. The male always hang around like it was dead, UNTIL I put the clear bag with the female to float in the tank. Amazingly the male KNEW that was another betta in the bag. That tank also has an African butterfly fish, catfish, and sucker fish in it, and they all completely ignore each other. Not so with the betta in the bag. The male started flaring, etc. I did not intend to keep them in the same tank. I put the female in a floating acrylic tank within the tank meant for fry. That mini tank floats about an inch above the water, but the female managed to jump out into the main tank! It's a 5 gallon tank with plenty of places to hide. The male has not attacked, although it did chase the female a little bit. The female immediately hid, and the male was too stupid or lazy to go chasing after her. I intend on moving them all to a 10 gallon tank.. again with plenty of places to hide. I have no doubt that 2 males would rip each other apart. Another thing.. bettas are not my favorite fish because of their aggression... but I had an African Butterfly Fish that was lost in my 75 gallon main tank. I also got a betta.. just one.. but found that the other fish would not leave it alone and would tear it to pieces. I would not recommend bettas at all, and definitely not 2 males... but if the situation arises.. put more than one in a sizable tank where they can hide. --- REVISION --- although it is possible to keep a male and female in the tank together, that wound up with the female hiding all day long - which is unacceptable. Forget having more than 1 betta in a tank.
Bang Many, mostly those running a business or doing it for showing. Some do but guess what? Not all do. Educate yourself a bit more before attacking people out of ignorance.
Before I attacked you, ask yourself why. You attacked someone base on your own assumption about betta fish. Everybody has their own view about how a happy betta fish is. You told someone that they are stubborn because they kept betta together. But not all people think the same as you. People do think that betta kept this way is more natural and betta for them.
If you a raising these fish in a tank or in a container or anywhere in your house then you are already asking these fish to go against there nature because they are a wild fish so what's the difference if she keeps hers like that or separated they are her fish that belong in nature just like yours.
bigpapa, I agree with you there is no difference. That's why I hate when someone uses terms like "time bomb", "bloodbath" to emphasize their comments, to show their vast knowledge.
bigpapa4918 Betta splendens were created by humans over 600 years ago by selectively cross breeding many wild types to achieve a hyper aggressive fish. Betta splendens do not exist in the wild and never had. Before inputting an opinion you might want to make sure you know what you're talking about. These guys don't exist in the wild, never have and she is asking them to go against the very reason they were created. Basically everything you've said is erroneous.
Bang There is a difference and those who actually know these fish know that. Furthermore the people who are using those terms are using them because they understand what these fish were developed to do. Fight.
Bang Well those people are incredibly ignorant as to what these fish were created for and how stressed this is for that fish. What this person is doing is dangerous and to spread the advice to do so is quite stupid. I'm not here to argue with people like yourself who obviously don't actually know what they're talking about. I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. Go educate yourself about betta splendens and their history and maybe I'll have something to say to you but I don't waste my time with those who haven't got a clue what they're talking about.
I have a 40gal community tank that's been established for like 4 years now, I have never had a problem keeping female bettas together, occasionally a male with them. They also live with platys and shrimp in a heavily planted environment. The only Betta I have ever bought as an adult is a Koi Female who is actually the calmest/sweetest out of them all, the rest I buy as babies and let them hide in the plants until they are big enough to come out and join the rest of the crew! I absolutely love my tank and no one is aggressive! I wouldn't change a thing, but I trust adding babies more then adults. I would imagine they grow up to the community and don't have the aggression a fish could have growing up in a cup. My fish tank doesn't nearly feel as crowded as this though, everyone has room to themselves. Female bettas don't really group together and I would never trust having 2 males with them even in a 40.
@Bang} That's an awful, toxic excuse to use. That's like attacking someone for going against dog fights and then some ignorant fool goes like "Everybody has their own view about how happy a dog is". NO. The only point of view about how happy a pet is IS THE PET, NOT THE OWNER. The owner's job is to be responsible and knowledgeable, not stubborn and opinionated. That only leads to the pet's suffering.
Flora Tea What that person was originally attacking me on was me as a breeder stating that breeders kill the ugly fish and sell the beautiful which in my 18+ years of breeding I have never done. I only cull those who have deformations or issues that will take away from the fishes quality of life. Any visually less desirable fish I give away and only charge for shipping. The ones I sell I make zero profit on and at best hope I break even on any given spawn. The people arguing that this setup is fine or even good for the fish don't know what they're talking about but the bs they're spouting supports what their doing so they keep spouting. The ignorance is very obvious when they start saying "in the wild". Bettas splendens are about as wild as a friggin goldfish is. These people are just undereducated on the fish they're keeping and find contentment in that ignorance. You're right, it is wrong. But they obviously don't care.
@For The Love Of Horses They aren't bred to kill each other. They are bred to be pretty. The ones that the breed for fighting they interbreed with the wild version to get their aggression back.
@monokhem They have been bred to fight far longer than they have been bred as decorative pets. Their instinct to fight has not gone away. Fighting bettas are sometimes crossed with wild bettas for increased speed, but not always. Plakats that have not are more aggressive than their wild ancestors. In the wild bettas rarely fight to the death because they have plenty of territory.
@monokhem domesticated bettas are bred to fight each other and just putting a different coat of paint on them doesn't change what they've been breed to do.it's why they are called siamese fishing fish.
it's true.
They are fighting fish that have been selectively bred for their aggression.
Even the pretty ones still have aggerrssive side cuase their aggression hasn't been bred out.
also, i just wanted to point out that what you're saying about wild bettas is pretty much the opposite to the truth, you can successfully house wild types together, its domestic betta splendens that are far more aggressive and harder to keep together. You're males are constantly flaring at each other, they are obviously really stressed out. just because they aren't immediately killing each other doesn't mean they are happy being forced to be in the same tank as another male... :( the " fighting plakats " you speak of are what you have in your tank.
Yea but you got to also understand what most betta are put thru you do understand that most end up dying in a cup no matter what the price is so you think males or female betta flaring up in mansion compared to a cup is is more stressful then living in their own shit til they die?
@love 2324 Ok so if they aren't tossed in a tank together you're saying they can't go in a large tank on their own? Because they most certainly can and are often happier that way than put with other males who will stress them out and cause illness from a lowered immune system. xD I in no way stated they had to be in a shitty little cup if not all put together in one tank. a lot of female bettas are actually happier alone as they are aggressive and get stressed out being with others of their kind. in many cases multiple females live happily without problems together, but forcing them to live in a stressful situation is a form of animal cruelty. purposely putting males and females together in an environment that they can't escape if they want to or feel the need to is cruel. There are so many reasons why putting both males and females together can go wrong and cause the death of your fish, especially if there are multiple males. One of which is becoming egg bound from the male's hormones being constantly present in the water. I'm not gonna bother saying more because i'm pretty certain no one responding so negatively to my comment has an open mind to listen to different perspectives and reason. Putting males with your females is never beneficial when it comes to bettas.
SilverStream Bettas never beneficial to who??? Just cause your not capable of keeping them stress free while in a tank that’s able to be stressful that’s your failure don’t say all female betta cause your not a fish you can’t assume based off majority because every living creature is different think positive and your positivity will reflect onto others obviously your think you know what a fish feels based off what they are portrayed to be just like pit bulls or ferrets they are not all as bad as they may seem it people like you claiming to know as a fact what a fish is thinking and feeling when in fact you can never truly know so stop assuming and understand that somethings that may not be possible for you most likely cause your negative thinking and attitude doesn’t mean it doesn’t work for others
SilverStream Bettas think about it would you rather die in a cup filled with shit you have to breath and eat and sleep in or learn to get along with the people surrounding you it’s the natural circle of life we do it as human we all fight we all have hate and sometimes things go wrong but that’s life
@love 2324 never beneficial to the bettas obviously, to house both male and female together is just a selfish thing to do simply because someone wants to while disregarding how it might effect the fish. and clearly i was right about you not being able to be open minded and see from other perspectives. I very clearly stated that some females can be housed happily together but not all, so idk where you're getting that garbage about each fish being different, obviously i know that, but there is no exception when it comes to males, there will always be stress, even if its not visible to those who don't know what stress looks like. if you keep fish long enough you can identify signs of stress with ease. I'm not even going to read the rest of your response its not worth my time.
@love 2324 Unintentionally added and removed when properly sexed. He was labeled as female, i removed him as soon as i could. It caused problems, they didn't FIGHT but they got stressed which in turn caused illness between my fish.
@love 2324 Also my tank is 55 gallons not 10 and i have tons of other fish as a distraction. Cant help but notice how incredibly stressed all your fish are, have fun when they murder each other or die of illnesses caused by stress. -_-
Unless you're talking about the videos i posted of BREEDING bettas???? wth
Cian Start with they aqua scape plant as many plants as you can give them enough light that they'll be able to grow within 2-3 months and then introduce your bettas (:
Maybe we can both help each other out! I've just received my 55 inch aquarium today as well. Never planted one of this magnitude so this is an experience for me as well.
Johnny Newport Alfaro welp I'm more caring for the fish...All of her fish die in a span of a few weeks/months because she is convinced that no betta needs a heater or a filter (and it's not like it's tropical,it often is cold around here)
then do a proper community, which would be ONE centerpiece betta then other fish that are compatible with a betta. i personally have a 10 gal with a double tail male betta, 5 neon tetras, and a golden rabbit snail. nobody is stressed or tries to fight and it’s absolutely gorgeous! the tetras cyan strip brings out my bettas cyan iridescence wonderfully and my rabbit snail is just so gosh darn cute!
So agree with this video. I had a 55 gallon tank with 2 male bettas and 8 females. The tank was well scaped and well planted, with water sprite and some dwarf lilies for floating plants as well as vals and ludwidgia strategically placed to make visual breaks. The males sized each other up for -3 days, nevr fought and split the tank left and right sides. The feemales would flare at each other but took over the whole tank as their own and visited the males when the mood struck them to mate. Each male builthis own bubble nest. They survived for 3 years in that set up quite nicely. Not to say it will always be that easy, but it can be done. Check out the males in the store to get less agressive ones, and add the females in first by a week or two so they can get the feel of the tank and its hiding places.. They appreciate drift wood that is placed vertically in the tank, and small caves of rock formations. I used tall and narrow slate piecs to get that affect. Looking down on the tank the slate pieces formed Vs with the open part of the V facing the front glass. the caves were about 8-12 inches tall. Planted the val and ludwidgia to the sides of the caves.
This is amazing to see and such beautiful bettas. I'd definitely say this is the exception to the rule and unless experienced in keeping fish should not be tried. Your tank is absolutely gorgeous and amazingly planted. What is the plant that is across the top of your tank, do you use fertilizer and Co2?
Lifewithpets thank you :) well I managed to make this setup with a few of my clients in tanks 5-10gs, as long as it's super planted and heated, they happy
Lifewithpets yer I agree . It is not going to happen with every fish too . She is just lucky that she got some good ones what are happy to live together etc
I am not sure what plant that is but it reminds me of ludwidgia or hygrophilia. Could be another si,ular type stem plant left to float. i've used Watersprite like that to good effect making a 55G betta tank. 2 males with 8 females.
Lifewithpets yeah I just wanted to say great video and I'm an American living in Taiwan I can't really afford a large tank but each of my bettas I have just too but they each have their own tank and their own plant they also have their own cave to sleep in and I put a lot of gravel at the bottom and made it pretty I also have pieces of coral from the Taiwan see my friend gave them to me I'll be washing them and putting them in the their 2.5 gallon tanks. They have the proper food as far as pellets we can't get blood rooms in Taiwan that I'm aware of but there's also plant food for the plants and chemicals for the water and they have their LED lights yeah so they're set up pretty well it's warm right now so I don't need a heater at the moment but I'll buy two heaters when winter gets closer. Because my tanks are small I I was told to do a water change every 3 days. I was told to do a 100% water change because it's not a very large tank plus I don't have a filter but they seem happy they don't have any issues with the water and I let them acclimate so when I put them back in their clean water and they're fine. Nightwing he's very gentle he is probably about 4 or 5 months old and then Captain America he's pretty large for his size. Nightwing is a black crowntail betta with a stripe of blue on his side and Captain America is a double tail with red white and blue. Those little bettas are the more expensive bettas I wanted to buy the betas in the little cups but they looked pretty sad and I wasn't sure if they would survive. I'm only had Nightwing for like a month and I bought Captain America just yesterday but the most important thing is to try to give the best of what you have
migue romero I hope this joke question but no absolutely not. Nothing less than 20g and even then not just males . Less males than females and many of each. Do get a big tank if you wanna try
Love seeing all the Betta nazis screaming in the comments below. You clearly are speaking from experience whereas they clearly are regurgitating information they have heard from others. There is nothing more insufferable than Betta know-it-alls.
I agree. People just love to tell each other how wrong they are. Betta's are like every other living creature. They have different personalities. I had one Betta who flared at his reflection in the tank wall so much he'd exhaust himself. I went out of town for 3 weeks and my partner removed the divider between a 20 gallon take housing two males cause he thought they were lonely. When i got back i freaked out, come to realize they were way more active having another fish around. Granted they tended to flare a little but had establish territories on each side of the tank. They would meet in the middle do a little flaring then get bored. They eat together every day and don't even flare then. They could just be docile at nature, but whatever the reason... I don't think there is anything wrong with what she did, it seemed to work for her. Good size tank, lots of cover, the fish seem to get along, no ripped fins. They have even spawned in the tank.... As a general rule it might not be a good idea, but with the right fish and tank size and cover, it can work for sure.
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