Literary sources tell us that the city of Champa was designed by the same architect as Rajgriha (Rajgir), Mahagovinda, in the 6th century BCE. A mound called Karangadh in Bhagalpur was excavated between 1969 and 1970 by archaeologist B P Sinha and many terracotta objects, vessels and ornaments were found here. Further excavations were conducted here by the Bihar State Archaeology Department in 2017 and more terracotta artefacts and sculptures were found.
It has been speculated that many of the artifacts may be of the Mauryan era but that hasn’t yet been scientifically proved. Surprisingly, no follow-up excavations have taken place in the old quarters of Champa, which is tragic because the site is very fragile, being under threat from present-day settlements which are moving closer to the mounds.
In the 6th century BCE, Champa was a fair-sized city, with evidence of fortifications and towers in four corners, three of which still exist. Situated on the bank of the river, it was also significant for trade, and traders would head from here to the ancient port of Tamralipti in Bengal.
Interestingly, literary works from the ancient and medieval period refer to prominent traders like Mahajanaka, Sonkotivis and Chandsaudagar. According to the Jataka tales, the people of Champa were very wealthy and set up another Champa in South-East Asia.
This may be a legend but we can see the Indian influence in the Vietnamese Champa due to Indian traders, who also bought their culture to Vietnam. Historically, the Vietnamese Champa consisted of five major territories – Vijaya, Panduranga, Indrapura, Amaravati and Kauthara – names that have Indic roots . Hinduism was a major faith in the region till 1471 CE. Today, the region still has a small community which practices Hinduism, called the ‘Balamon Cham’.
It is said to be one of only two non-Indian, indigenous Hindu communities in the world, the other one being in Bali. The state which emerged in Champa in Vietnam became known for its syncretic culture. The kingdom of Champa was so significant that the sea around it was called the Champa Sea. Today it is known as the South China Sea.
In India, with the decline of the Mahajanapadas including Anga and their successor states, Champa too declined but its historic importance and geographic vantage point didn’t let it stay irrelevant for long. Champa in Vietnam went on to forge political and cultural relations with other parts of the Indian subcontinent, most significantly with the Pallavas from the 7th to 9th centuries CE.
Bhagalpur and the old area of Champa returned to prominence during the reign of the Palas, who ruled present-day Bihar and Bengal from the 8th to 12th centuries CE. During this period, Champa saw a revival and it became an important centre of Buddhist learning.
The Vikramshila University was established around 40 kms from Bhagalpur, between the 8th and 9th centuries CE by king Dharmapala. The university, which was 200 km from the illustrious Nalanda University, was a famed centre of Buddhist learning.
Vikramshila was built as a response to the decline of Buddhism and its patronage as well as the decline of Nalanda University. Built by the last great Buddhist kingdom in India the university is believed to have had a hundred teachers and a thousand students.
It is said that it is from here that Buddhism spread and reached Tibet. The learning of Buddhist philosophy was the most significant branch at the university, some of the others being grammar, metaphysics and logic.
Besides the University of Vikramshila, Champa’s significance can also be seen from the finds of copper plates of the Pala period, which trace the genealogy of the Pala dynasty. By the later medieval period, Champa was better known as ‘Bhagalpur’ and saw renewed importance during the Mughal era with a Sufi shrine – the Khankha-e-Pir-Damariya – being set up here.
An old tale, still repeated here, points to an interesting story of how the Mughal emperors believed that they ruled over India because of the blessings they received here. The Mughal emperors, starting with Akbar (1542-1605) and all the way to Shah Alam II (1728-1806), issued farmans awarding land rights to the family which manages the Dargah and surrounding lands to this day.
The 18th century saw Champa and with it Bhagalpur don a new role. It became an important collectorate for the British East India Company. The focus also shifted out of the old city to the suburbs, which are now recognised as the larger Bhagalpur area, and is now a district and an administrative division.
The collector’s lavish house was called Tilha Kothi and was even visited by Rabindranath Tagore. It is believed that Tagore wrote a part of his Nobel Prize-winning work Gitanjali in this very house.
Meanwhile, the kingdom of Champa in Vietnam was greatly reduced by extensive wars of aggression and defence with the Khmers, Trans and even the Mongols, and was absorbed into the neighbouring territories by the 17th century CE. In India, Champa and the larger Bhagalpur area may be seen as a mofussil region today, but it has a rich history that is just begging to be discovered.
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The art of carving candles is an old German craft. The finished pieces above may look like carved sculptures, but they are all actually made entirely of wax. The video below is from an episode of “How It’s Made” and it shows a candle carver from Holland House Candles demonstrating the techniques used in the traditional craft of candle carving.
“It involves layering different colored wax. Then carving designs to expose those luminous colors. It’s hard to beat the radiant beauty of a carved candle.” According to the video, it can take up to to a year for a carver to learn how to carve the candle quickly as you only have about 15 minutes before the wax hardens to a point where it is too hard to work with.
The whole process begins with a six-pointed candle base. Then, the candle carver dips the candle into various waxes that have been colored with specially formulated dyes.
After adding layers and layers of colored wax, it’s almost time to carve out the beautiful designs. Before doing so, the candle carver (as seen in the video below) cuts off the drippings on the bottom and shapes them into a decorative mushroom candle.
These candles are more decorative than practical to burn, but it seems like such a waste to just throw them away. Watch the video to see more of her carving process.
I simply love these candles. I first came across them when I wandered into a shop when I was on vacation in Savannah, Georgia. I had never seen anything like it before and couldn’t leave until I watched the carver finish the candle.
Though the craft may not be known by all, you can find people selling candles all over the internet and many videos documenting the process. To see more, scroll through the finished candles below and check out more videos at the end of the post.
Also, in case you are worried about burning it and then no longer having this beautiful candle, the people at Holland House Candles have a solution for you. They, essentially, advise you have a controlled burn of the candle until a nice deep well has been melted out. Then, you can just put in a flickering light to simulate a candle burning and still enjoy the lighting effect without reducing your candle to nothing.
I certainly would give candle carving a try if I could get ahold of all the supplies necessary, but what about you? Do you think this craft is something you would try to tackle yourself? Share your thoughts in the comments and enjoy this soothing video of candle carving.
https://makezine.com/2015/08/11/candle-carving/
In many ways, your gut bacteria are as vast and mysterious as the Milky Way. About 100 trillion bacteria, both good and bad, live inside your digestive system. Collectively, they're known as the gut microbiota.
Science has begun to look more closely at how this enormous system of organisms influences—and even improves—health conditions, from heart disease to arthritis to cancer. But understanding how the gut microbiota works, and how you may benefit, can be daunting.
"This is a new frontier of medicine, and many are looking at the gut microbiota as an additional organ system," says Dr. Elizabeth Hohmann of the infectious diseases division at Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital. "It's most important to the health of our gastrointestinal system, but may have even more far-reaching effects on our well-being."
The gut microbiota in action - Within those trillions of gut bacteria are about 1,000 different species, represented by some 5,000 distinct bacterial strains. Everyone's gut microbiota is unique, but there are certain combinations and collections of bacteria that are found in healthy individuals.
The main factors that affect your personal microbial mix are age, diet, environment, genes, and medications (particularly exposure to antibiotics, which can deplete gut bacteria). Your gut microbiota plays many roles. It metabolizes nutrients from food and certain medications, serves as a protective barrier against intestinal infections, and produces vitamin K, which helps make blood-clotting proteins.
But the gut microbiota may do much more. Most research has involved only preliminary animal studies; however, initial findings suggest gut bacteria may be the key to preventing or treating some diseases.
Since the gut microbiota is so complex, it is difficult to pinpoint certain bacteria as the most beneficial. "It would be great if we could identify 10 or so bacteria and say these are the ones you need most, but it doesn't work that way, and there is no magic bullet," says Dr. Hohmann. "There may be a community dynamic at play as well as good mixtures of communities."
Here's a summary of the latest findings: Rheumatoid arthritis. Two studies from the Mayo Clinic suggest gut bacteria may predict susceptibility to rheumatoid arthritis (RA) as well as offer a possible treatment. A study published online April 21, 2016, by Genome Medicine looked for a biomarker of the disease.
Researchers were able to isolate certain bacteria that are high in RA patients, but low in healthy individuals. The other study, published online June 23, 2016, by Arthritis & Rheumatology, found that mice treated with the bacterium Prevotella histicola had less severe and less frequent symptoms and fewer inflammatory conditions associated with RA.
A study published online April 13, 2016, by PLOS ONE offered some evidence that a particular strain of the bacterium Lactobacillus johnsonii may protect against some cancers. Scientists gave mice a mutation that is associated with a high incidence of leukemia, lymphomas, and other cancers. When treated with the bacterium, the mice developed lymphoma only half as quickly compared with a control group.
Heart disease. Research in the February 2016 Journal of Applied Microbiology found the bacterial strain Akkermansia muciniphila could prevent inflammation that contributes to fatty plaque buildup in arteries.
Scientists believe the effect was due to a protein that blocks communication between cells in the inner lining of the gut. As a result, fewer toxins from a poor diet could pass into the bloodstream, which in turn reduced inflammation.
Immune system. In a study published online Nov. 5, 2015, by Science, University of Chicago researchers found that introducing a particular bacterial strain into the digestive tracts of mice with melanoma prompted their immune systems to attack tumor cells. The gains were comparable to treatment with anti-cancer drugs called checkpoint inhibitors.
What does all this mean? Should you even be concerned about your gut microbiota? "A healthy gut microbiota is still important for health," says Dr. Hohmann. "Anything that can feed good bacteria and keep them plentiful is good for overall health. When the gut is happy, you are happy." Here are some suggestions on how to do that:
FermentedFoods probiotics gut bacteriaDo not overuse antibiotics. Again, overusing antibiotics can deplete good gut bacteria. "In general, older people are more susceptible to infections and have more medical problems, so they are more likely to be prescribed antibiotics," says Dr. Hohmann. "These are important lifesaving drugs, but they need to be used judiciously."
Don't be so quick to ask for antibiotics to fight viral ailments like the common cold, she says. Also, if your doctor prescribes one, ask if you really need it, what is the shortest treatment course, and whether there are alternative methods.
Eat more fermented foods. Bacteria are living organisms that need to eat. "A healthy, varied, balanced, high-fiber diet with complex carbohydrates is good for the bacteria living in your gut and encourages a diverse ecosystem," says Dr. Hohmann.
Other helpful dietary choices include naturally fermented foods containing probiotics (live bacteria), such as sauerkraut, pickles, miso, certain types of yogurt, and kefir (a yogurt-based drink).
Probiotic supplements are another option. They are also touted as a remedy for common digestive problems like irritable bowel syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease, and infectious diarrhea. However, the science is still cloudy about their overall effectiveness for these and other related conditions.
"Some people say they feel better after taking probiotics, which is great, but they can be expensive," says Dr. Hohmann. "Plus, many probiotics disappear from the gut once you stop taking them regularly."
People with depressed immune function from late-stage cancer or chemotherapy should not take probiotics. Also, not all probiotic preparations are the same, so discuss the options with your doctor before you take one. A new way to fight gut infection - Fecal transplantation? Yes, it's real, and yes, it might help you fight a recurring type of gut infection.
A fecal transplant involves inserting stool from a healthy donor into a person's gastrointestinal tract to treat recurrent colitis from Clostridium difficile infection, which causes inflammation in the colon and leads to diarrhea, cramping, and fever.
People with C. difficile colitis are first given antibiotics. However, in about 25% to 30% of cases, the infection returns days or weeks after therapy ends. "The more episodes of C. difficile colitis a patient experiences, the more likely it is that further relapses are going to occur," says Dr. Elizabeth Hohmann of the infectious diseases division at Harvard-affiliated Massachusetts General Hospital.
This is when fecal transplants are considered. Their job is to replenish good bacteria that have been killed by antibiotics. "When healthy, normal flora is absent, it is easier for infections to take hold or persist," says Dr. Hohmann. Fecal matter is not something people would normally consider "healthy," but human stool contains a variety of helpful bacteria, viruses, fungi, and other organisms.
For the procedure, fecal matter is collected from a tested donor, mixed with saline, strained, and then placed into the colon by colonoscopy, endoscopy, sigmoidoscopy, or enema. The longer the patient holds the transplanted stool, the more healthy bacteria are absorbed. A fecal transplant can also be administered in capsule form, or by a tubes going down the nose and into the stomach or small intestine.
A review of existing research in the July 12, 2016, PLOS Biology suggests fecal transplants cure about 90% to 95% of cases of stubborn C. difficile colitis. Fecal transplants are not covered by most insurance, although the colonoscopy or other transplant procedure might be cov-ered on its own.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-gut-bacteria-improve-your-health
Arnold's biggest years were between 1971 and 1974. He claims to have weighed 245 on stage as his biggest competition weight. While not as shredded as today's body builders, that was still a very lean 245. Say he exaggerated, it wouldn't be by much, maybe 5lbs.
Then I'm 5'8". That means Deidre Hall is 5'4", Jeff Kramer is 5'5", Tippi Hedren is 5'1", George Segal is 5'7", Sinatra was 5'4", Dean and Jerry and Bob Hope and Danny Thomas were all 5'7", Elvis was 5'8.5"........
I have added a picture to this page of Arnold and Jim in 1988, who also met Lou in the past and thought him a solid 6ft 4, Arnie maybe near 6ft 1.
Also, here is an email from Vince regarding Arnold's Height:
The facts are as follows. I never alter or exaggerate the truth or reality. I have this thing about height partly because I was sort of short while growing up. I am now 5' 9 1/2". Also, NABBA and other organizations had height classes and often guys would cheat and claim to be a different height so they could win a trophy in a class where they stood a better chance of winning one. I disapprove of those who claim to be taller than they really are!
Well, We were in Mits Kowashima's Gym in Honolulu way back in January 1969. Arnold was there to pose at a contest for Mits and he loved being in Hawaii and getting heaps of girls and a tan for free. I had met Arnold in October 1968 at Gold's Gym and got to know him from hanging around there.
He let me measure his arms one day in the locker room. Today that suggests other things but I can assure you I just wanted to know how big his arms were. It was after he had a workout and they measured 21 1/2 inches which impressed me.
Well, in Honolulu the subject of height came up and guys were claiming this and that. Being the sort of guy who loves to challenge others I told Arnold he wasn't 6' 2" after he claimed being that tall.
So he hopped on Mit's scale that had a height guage attached. I did the measurement myself and it read 6' 1 1/2". I told him he might be 6' 2" in the morning because one can shrink a bit during the day.
Why I said this was because there was a famous case of a guy trying to get into the New York police force in the 1960's but was rejected each time because he was too short. He needed to be 5' 8" to qualify. Well, after several failures to pass the medical he came up with a novel solution.
He got a couple of mates to carry him in one morning on an ironing board and surprizingly was just tall enough. Apparently we all are fractionally taller in the mornings. Who knows, maybe the doctor gave him the benefit of the doubt?
Arnold was in bare feet for the height measurement. In those days he was approachable. He didn't remember my name from before which didn't impress my girlfriend Roz who I later married. When we met Dave Draper he shook my hand and said, "Hi, Vince" and Roz liked him more than Arnold. However, most of us guys envied Arnold and were amazed at his size and how he worked any place he was in for his own advantage.
He came to my gym twice. Once in 1974 to put on a seminar and then he accompanied Franco when the latter put on a seminar after the Mr Olympia contest in 1980. Arnold came to my penthouse at Manly after he did another seminar at Tony's Gym that same night. There are some stories about that night if you read the Ironage stories I posted!
Feel free to post this email if it will help settle any discussions about Arnold's height. Arnold might be a lot of things and he did like tricking people. I found him to be quite straightforward and in that sense he lived up to that old ideal of being a he-man! Of course, I told him face to face in 1974 that he would never succeed as an actor! He told me he liked people saying stuff like that because it made him try harder!
I was on the movie set of JINGLE ALL THE WAY with Arnold and Sinbad in high school 1994/95. The movie was filmed in Minnesota right by De La Salle High School. I am 6'2" I walked right next to Arnold and he only came up just past my shoulders.
His cigar was taller than him. He is no where near 6'2". He is 5'11" at best. Where are you guys getting he was 6'2" or better. That is BS!! In the picture shown above, you can't even see what kind of shoes/boots he's wearing. Don't judge based on that picture. Trust me I know he's under 6'0".
Actually, Arnold was Measured at 6'1.5" in the late 60s by Vince Basil.
'Yes, I measured Arnold in Jan 1969 on the scale in Mit's Gym in Hawaii. He said he was 6-2, the height guage said 6-1/2. It was in the evening so he could possibly have been 6-2 in the morning. '
Editor Rob ... why not add Vince Basile's testimony to the top of this page, given that it keeps being used ( usually by me, sometimes by others ) as an argument on this board. It's definately got more weight to it than a democratic strategist's opinion.
the guy at the top of the thread...I wanted to confirm what the Aussie bodybuilder said, sure I will add this aswell...because that of course is one way of confirming a peak height so to speak...]
I'm not sure that is a better photo, cantstop. Arnold's head doesn't look any longer than Declan's.
I was on the puddle jumper with Arnold late 80's into early 90's. My cousin is Jody Poirier one of the greatest all natural women bodybuilders.....Arnold is 5'11" that's the truth.....with 3" lifts he's 6'2". Hype like this works because people WANT TO BELIEVE IN SUPERSTARS!
I think Arnold was 5-11.5 in his prime, and never even hit 6-0. He was always shorter then 6-1 Reg Park, and was never measured above 5-11.5 anyway. I mean, look how much shorter he looks in regular sneakers next to that 6-3.5 bodybuilder as well. He looks 5-11.5 there as well.
He also looks 5-11 in the Andre and Wilt picture. The reason why he can look tall in some pictures is because of well-healed shoes and lifts. I think hes shruk 1 inch since his prime height of 5-11.5 to 5-10.5 now. That seems pretty plausible to me.
I agree with Jason that Arnold looks a good 2" shorter than Declan Joyce. Also, in Frank2's photo "Those are not lifts on Arnold," close inspection leads me to believe those are not standard issue shoes he's wearing. The soles look unusually thick and could easily be built up inside. I happen to be a huge Arnold fan, but that's not enough to convince me he's over six feet today, nor over 6'1" in his prime.
I noticed the link for Arnold with 5'10" Pete Wilson didn't show up, and declan joyce does have a higer shoulder level but that is becasue arnold has a big head. Arnold looks 5'11''-6'0'' in that photo with Declan Joyce. Joyce has just got his head down - look at the difference in their shoulder levels.
I don't believe Arnold is as short as 5'10'', but I find 6'1'' a bit much to say the least. Normally I don't even entertain the thought of Arnold being over the 6'0'' mark today, but it's intriguing you insist he's 6'1'', Frank.
As far as Democrats go, the only fair voting is when only Democrats vote. Arnold is no more 5'10" than I'm 6'2"! I've met him, stood right next to him and checked out his footwear. Had he worn four inch lifts I'd have spotted them immediately. One time I saw him he had on regular running-style shoes and another time he wore normal loafers. Both times he was taller than this 5'11" fellow and by at least two inches.
I saw Tom almost once a week when I worked at Fox since he was doing a show for the network sports division and would lunch in the new restaurant right nextdoor to the broadcast center building. And he was taller than me by two inches and he didn't wear lifts.
Here's Arnold with 5'10" Pete Wilson, former Governor of California who I've met and spoken with. In fact somewhere I have a shot of me and my wife with Wilson and a PAC event held at Disney Studios. If I find it I'll email it to Rob to post. I'm an inch taller.
Kinda shocked to see y'all list Arnie at 6' and not even give 'em 6'2 for his peak height. He looked like a strong 6'2 back in the 80's, like a possible 6'2.5".
On Cape Cod, so you have met Arnold on more than one occasion and you are positive he is under 6`0 or 5`11. Can I ask when you met him? 1970`s, 80`s or 90`s. 00`s? This guy was tall 6`1.5" or so in his prime!
There is never a directly discernable comparison shot in that ENTIRE movie....and as far as his height I am 5'11" @ 227lbs. Arnold has been on the same puddle jumper as me a few times going to the Vineyard.....we were/are eye to eye. He's never been close to 6'2" that's just hype s***e!!!!
The only reason that (for most of the film) they're not shown next to each other is because Arnold was training in LA and Ferrigno in New York.
However, they are shown together (barefoot and on a flat stage) for a large portion of the competition at the end of the movie. Again, I ask how you can be so sure he wears lift shoes. Did you take them off his feet? Did he admit to them... was his foot almost falling out of them (like Stallone's in the basketball photo) ? You tell em Frank.Arnold is 6-1,6-2 in his prime.
He's 5'11" he wears lift shoes......he was exactly my height and really not a huge person. Maria Shriver looks completely whacked out with cosmetic surgery in person...her face is almost comically bizarre.
They had good reason never to show Arnold and Lou next to each other in the movie "Pumping Iron"...he would have been DWARFED! How are you so sure about that Viper? Have you met him? But these days Arnold is around 5-10.5 barefoot.
Is there any evidence to prove this man has ever worn or been linked with elevator shoes other than unfounded speculation? The guy wore flat shoes and/or went barefoot a lot of the time in his youth.... he might have not necessarily bothered wearing elevators just because he became famous. What if he's wearing one inch shoes and is comfortable with his height?
No way on Earth is Arnold 5'11". I'm 5'11" and when I met him he was a good two inches taller. And he was wearing what looked like regular shoes. I'd say he's roughly 6'1". He could have been 6'2" when he was younger.
I asked an old bodybuilder who had met arnold in the 70's, how tall Arnie is, he said that they were in the shower barefeet, and he stood besides another bodybuilder who is 190cm and he said that Arnold was a bit shorter, but not much, so I think he really was 6 ft 2 when younger, nowadays maybe 6 ft even?
I think he's 6ft, prolly a lil more when young. Maybe you think he's only 5'11" because his height is not as big as expected, or you're indeed big. He has look taller than five eleven many times, wich is my height, i've a photo beside an H2 as Arnold's HYDRO one and he doesn't looks much more taller than me compared to the same car though.
Thats a very nice pic that cobra has of the rock and arnie but there still has to be bout 3" betwwen them because look at their waistes and where there arms end the rock is lowering his head as well which he does in evry pic! hes onto us! ;)
Couple years ago, Click Here a glimpse of arnie in say 3cm shoes beside (well in front of a little) the Mark Webber in 1cm shoes, who is a strong 184cm.
The Rock is slouching very much in the first + Britneys footwear. And in the one of the Rundown: they are in the jungle. ;) In Running Man Arnie isn`t 3-4 inches shorter than kotto. Don`t judge of the first look in the prison, I think they exagerated Kottos height, because in the hall where the guy with the chain saw appear, they are standing next to each other and you can also see the ground, and there is not that much difference between them. Oops! The Rock looking not too tall next to the 5'4.5" Britney Spears:
Thank you, Cobra. Looks like the hunched over Rock has only a couple inches on Arnold. But wait...check out the Rock next to the 5'11.25" Sean William Scott: You guys make me laugh when you use words like 'definately'. Howabout we all end our posts with 'FACT!!' instead?
Someone posted that (can this person please post again) that Arnold was measured in 1967. "Arnold who claimed to be 6ft2 was measured with 6ft1,5 that evening" I think that this is the truth, we all know that you are shorter in the evening, so 6ft2 morning 6ft1,5 evening. Now 6ft1 morning 6ft0,5 evening.
Hmmm... I saw Mr. Schwarzenegger in the 70's and he looked probably 6 foot to 6 foot and 1/2 inch barefoot then. Though I never SAW him barefoot. In shoes he looked 6'1". I was 6'3 1/2" tall then & he looked 3 - 3 1/2 less than me. I always wear shoes with 1 - 1.25" heels. He didn't look 6'2" even then. Don't know HOW TALL he is now, but I lost 1/2 inch (almost). I'm only 3 years older than Arnold.
Arnold was never 6'2", or even 6'1". That is clear from the numerous vintage pictures below where 6'1" Reg Park is always about one inch taller. Arnold is definitely a tad under six feet today. He's definitely 6'2" (188cm)
Firstly Arnies wearing shoes, which are no doubt big, and Coleman is barefooted, another thing, when Coleman was here, he appeared on the footy show, next to a couple of players who are only 5'9-5'10"ish and he was no way taller then them.
So if you consider Arnie would be in like 2inch plus heels, take off those, and hed barely be an inch or so taller then Coleman. This man Im telling you is not even 6'0" tall these days, as Ive said my friend who met him recently said that he was barely 5'10"-5'11" tall. It is not possible to attain his bodybuilding height, and no doubt he probably was 6'0" or so back in the day, but I think 6'2" was just a myth.
I think Arnold should go back to 6,1 atleast why is it he's constantently seen as taller than those in the pictures my guess is that he's atleast 6,1. I doubt 6,2 but 6,1 would still seem right. Maybe about 185cm.
Rob you should give him his half inch back, or you can put him at 6'9.5 for being one of the best action stars/body builders ever, i still don't see why some people have him at 5'10.
[Editor Rob: you know, I keep wanting to give arnold back 1/2 inch for his currentish 2005-2006 height...I don't know, maybe when nobodies looking...nobody will notice 1/2 inch here will they ;-)]
I have met Ronnie Coleman and he is no way 5`11 but more like 5`9 1/2 to 5`10 1/2 but roughly 5`10. In the link below, Arnold is 3 or 4 inches taller, 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 is due to shoes. Either way you look at Arnold is at least 6`0 and probably over 6`1 although not 6`2.
I think Arnold would be 2 or 2,5 inches taller than Ronnie without his shoes, also 6ft0,5 or 6ft1.
Arnold is much taller than 5'11" bodybuilder Ron Coleman.
Guys? Why you compare Arnold to Matty and Matty to lou, when you can see Arnold and Lou next to each other barefeet on the stage?? BTW Arnold doesn`t look more than 3 inches shorter.
I also remeber a shot on TV were Arnlod appeared with polish ex president Aleksander Kwa
I've found this: "While Arnold Schwarzenegger's height was always believed to be 6 feet, 2 inches (1.88 m), a July 2002 article in US Weekly magazine speculated that Schwarzenegger was actually closer to 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m).
During his campaign for governorship it was noted that Schwarzenegger was considerably shorter than many expected, with others putting his height at around 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m), exactly as reported in US Weekly. His spokespeople now give his height as 6 ft even (1.83 m). His competition height may have been closer to 6'2", as humans lose a small amount of height with age."
"Arnold is clearly shorter than Ferrigno's dad by several inches...and Ferrigno's father is a good 3 inches shorter than Lou"
Several is NOT the same as saying 'a few'. As I already said, I consider several to mean 5 - 8.
In future, try reading posts (including your own), before you start making derogatory comments about people.
Oh boy! I guess we have some low IQs on this board (Elio...). Ferrigno's father is a few inches taller (that's 2-3 inches for you low IQ guys) than Arnold and Lou is 3 inches taller than his dad. That puts Arnold in the 5'11" to 6' range.
I think phil is right, it is hard to forget that scene. Now keep in mind that Lou is very tall himself. Anywhere from 6'3" shortest to 6'5" tops. Even on the short end Lou was still a tall man back then, and still is today. Lou was taller than his father by at least 2", and his father was taller than Arnold by the same. Still this does not help peg an exact height for Arnie.
He could be anwhere from 5'10" to 6'1", depends on how tall Lou really is. I just say Arnold is "about 6 foot".
most of us have seen or own that movie. Arnold is NOT 'several' inches shorter than Ferrigno's dad. Lou is not 3 inches taller than his old man either. If you conisder the definition of several to be 5 - 8, then you're basically saying that Arnold is 8 - 11 inches shorter than Ferrigno.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have trouble accepting anything you say in future, given your blatent exaggerations.
I didn't think people actually shrink with age until a week ago. I used to do heavy squats for years, and in my younger days compete in powerlifting. I've had disc surgery on my lower lumbar spine and my cervical(neck). Yet last Sept. I measured 5"10 in my stocking feet. Maybe when I was younger I was taller but I didn't think so.
Now, I went to a wake last week where I saw people that I haven't seen since my early 20's. I'm 46 years old. I wear regular dress shoes, probably an inch at the most raise. Well, EVERYONE seemed shorter than I remember them! Either my same height or shorter. If there were any doubts to the shrink with age theory? That just removed them for me.
Just watched Pumping Iron. There's a scene where he has breakfast with Lou Ferrigno and Ferrigno's father. They all get up at the end of the breakfast and Arnold is a good half a foot shorter than Lou and quite a bit shorter than Lou's father, who is at least 3 inches shorter than Lou. He can't be more than 6' tall in 1975 and must be 5'11" today. Near then end of Pumping Iron, you get a full body long shot of Arnold and Lou posing and Arnold is barely at Ferrigno's nose level.
I'm starting to think that your estimates of just over 6 foot are spot on. I recently saw a pic on a forum from 1988 where Arnold stood around an inch shorter next to a guy who says he's 6'1.4" . Perhaps the 41 year old arnold had lost a slight bit of height from heavy squatting at this point in his life... but even so I'm beginning to see that this man may have never been over 6'1".
To be clear, he looked 6'1" IN SHOES (boots, whatever he had on) then, so I GUESSED 6'0 or 0.5" barefoot. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
First, body-builders are INCLINED to be short. Often that is the motivation to begin lifting weights. At 6'3.5" I almost always towered over my competition in the 60's in body-building. Generally I would say that short to medium height guys had an edge because of perception. In power-lifting there were MANY more tall guys.
At 256 at contest time I was considered "stringy". I'm not sure what Mr. Schwarzenegger's competition weight was (he was after my time) but I've heard 225 quoted. He didn't look 6'2" when I saw him (in the 70's). I would have GUESSED 6'0 or 0.5" then. Let me be clear on this: I have nothing against or for Arnold. He didn't MAKE or RUIN body-building. In my opinion, steroids and growth harmones have made it an unhealthy pursuit.
ARE Arnold's legs unusually long? Well, I don't recall noticing them when I saw him in clothes. My inseam is 35.5 at my height and mine seemed longer then. Only saw him briefly, but he looked a good 2.5-3 inches shorter than I was. I was wearing dress shoes from JC Penney's. :-) I have lost 1 cm in height, and Arnold is only ~ 3 years younger than I am.
Sorry, Dex, but Arnold is not the huge guy you imagine him to be. The many early bodybuilding photos of the barefoot Arnold linked here demonstrate clearly that he was never 6'1", but closer to 6'0"-6'0.5". Recent photos put him just a bit under 6 feet.
Fasulo, you like to have your fantasy of Arnie being only 180cm, that's fine, whatever rocks your boat. Your idea's of a mini Terminator, diminutive Conan, are cute concepts, unfortunately most of us aren't interested, were quite happy to accept Arnie just the way he is, which is clearly taller than 6'
Dex, I think you need to use YOUR head. I said he has extremely long legs in proportion to his height, not that he has extremely long legs.
Jason, use your head, whats more likely that Arnold has extremely (abnormal) long legs or he is indeed tall?
Arnold has extremely long legs in proportion to the rest of his body which can make him appear taller.
Fasulo, watch "THE COMEBACK" it can be purchased over the internet and then tell me Arnold is only 5`11. He was so tall he looked awkward and lanky almost like a short basketball player. Check it out!
Dear boys you should remember that Arnold wears lift shoes in every occasions.Probably he has only magic shoes!!!infact it would be astonishing for all see Terminator,Conan,Governor of California,future president...a simple 180 cm...We though it was huge and he wants to appear HUGE!Discoman you're right
For all of you who think Arnold is below 6 feet view "THE COMEBACK" and your doubhts will be put to rest. Arnold towers over everybody and his legs and arms go on forever. I think when Arnold first became famous as a teenager he was probably just under 6 feet and he may now as an older man be once again under 6 feet. However, during the time of the 1980 Olympia or early thirties, Arnold was well over 6 feet. Check it out and see what I am talking about!
A friend of mine who is a weak 6 footer has a pic with arnie and arnie looks 2 to 3 inches taller than him this pics was taken in 2005
Though I havnt seen him since 1992,now that I remember he did walk like he had balloons in his shoes.
I strongly recommend anyone interested in the controversial 1980 Olympia to purchase "The Comeback". I have heard much talk about the judging being rigged and I believe this can happen but I do not believe it did. Arnold was ripped and defined although not nearly as massive as 1974 or 75. He also easily beat the competition.
It`s possible that Mike Mentzer got short changed with his fourth or fifth place finish but he was nowhere near "The Greatest" as I did see one line up of the two men together. He is also quite "tall" in this film easily over 6 feet and probably close to 6` 2"! Arnold`s legs in this movie are really weak but his calves and upper body combined with how how he twists as he poses hides this fact from the audience and probably the judges.
So we are all right about Arnold.6'in his prime 5'11" now.Rob you should downgrade him to 180
[Editor Rob: many think I'm still being stingy with 183, 184cm currently is probably what many would think!!!]
OK Gramps: Graham looks 3" taller to my eyes in those photos. That would make Arnold 6'0" at that time. I've NEVER heard of a guy growing until 30! Doesn't sound very likely. I've lost about one cm (am in my early 60's) from my 20 year old height. NOT DUE TO WEIGHT LIFTING. I knew Mike Mentzer. He wasn't asked for his permission to be in that movie. Don't be too surprised if pro body-building is about as legit as pro wrestling. :-)
Weider decides who wins the Mr. Olympia. The person must be marketable AND pliant. Mike wasn't "pliant". By the by: many modern body-builders are not really THAT strong. There can be a difference between "show" muscles and functional muscles. I power-lifted in the 275 pound class, but lost at least 20 pounds (about 1/2 of it muscle) to body-build.
AND I became much less strong. I used the Heavy Duty system that Mike championed and it worked. I still weight train with fairly heavy weights. No: I never did steroids, but I did "carbo-load" and used celery-based diuretics. Don't recommend either one. :-( I assure you that Arnold only LOOKED 6'1" in SOME kind of footware and I don't see how he could ever have been 6'2", not barefoot.
So maybe Gramps is right? Arnold could be 5'11" now and would look ~ 6'1" in cowboy boots, even without "lifts" or whatever. I HATE boots period! They hurt my big 13EEE feet! So, I wear comfortable shoes. Also, high heels are bad for your back.Seems like they'd mess up your calf muscles too?
Arnold was considered very lucky to have won the '80 Olympia, he looked soft and lacked the definition that he had previously. On that day Mike Mentzer was easily the best of the competition. The judges have got it wrong on a few occassions over the years. In regards to Arnold's height, I have always accepted him as 6'2". Even though many will argue that he has lost height due to old age, he is still clearly at least 6'1"
Yes, Arnie walks funny and in many of his movies is obvious that he is wearing lifts. Also notice in The Terminator where he was barefoot, he was not simultaniously in the same scene with those three guys (Bill Paxton was one of them) - they were relatively tall (especially that guy that was a bad guy in Stallone's Cobra) and in one short shot barefoot Arnie may have looked shorter than Paxton in Boots...
But if Columbu is really 5'5, then Arnie might have been about 6'1 in his prime time (but notice that Arnie is a bit closer to the camera that could give him an extra inch or two).
I watched "The Comeback" last night which is about Arnold and the 1980 Olympia. As far as I am concerned Arnold easily won the competition fair and square. Unfortunately, Mike Mentzer was not in the movie probably because he did not grant permission so I can form no opinion on his physique unfortunately.
However, I have to say that Arnold was definately "tall" in this movie and at least 6`1" probably 6`1 1/2". I think Arnold actually grew taller between 1975 and 1980, is that possible, to grow an inch or more in your late twenties and early thirties?
Yes Frank, 6'0" when competing, but 5'11" or so now.
I think the link photo from Disco man below should pretty much end the debate. Though I don't know how tall Draper is, Arnold is clearly NOT over 6"0. I think 6"0 is reasonable for him.
I agree with you pals, I saw Pumping Iron 2 and Mr.Arnold is the tallest...D'you remember in the Guiness Book they said he's 6'1" during his Mr Olympia's reign.
About 2/3 of the web references I've seen list Graham at 6'3" and 1/3 at 6'4".
well when arnold was bodybuilding he was in the tall class fpr mr.olympia (as stated in the education of a bodybuilder book) which would make him at a minimum 6'.
Anonymous: How tall was Superstar Billy Graham? I see a few inches between him and Arnold? I know I've seen his height listed somewhere?
I want to apologize for going off about Joe Weider. I have NO axe to grind with Arnold, but I (obviously) do with the Weider Syndicate. But I think 6' is a decent evaluation of Arnold's height. BTW: I also did competitive power-lifting and my discs aren't compressed.
Weight-lifting PROPERLY PERFORMED does not squash the skeletan for God's sake. Sorry about preaching about steroids. It can be a lifetime activity; just don't believe the magazines that are mainly trying to sell you their brand of anything. NUFF SAID. :-)
Joe: when you were 23 and saw Arnold (the three-time Mr. Olympia) in 1973, I believe you were a bit star-struck. Your awe overshadowed your objectivity, since Arnold was never 6'1", let alone 6'2".
I know I'll catch hell about the boots comment. It was a long time ago, so let me say that Mr. Schwarzenegger was NOT barefoot when I saw him and he looked 6'1" to me then. It's curious that some celebrities get down-graded by 2 + inches (like Clint Eastwood) but others (like Arnold) appear to be sacred ground. I think 6' now is probably close to correct, but perhaps the guy should be listed as 7'2" to match his impact on pro body-building?
Or at least the impact Joe Weider and his empire invested in him to play. Don't believe any of the measurements for anything in the Weider magazines. And you might try Heavy Duty if you want solid muscle gain. But FOR GOD'S SAKE: stay away from the damned steroids, steroid mimics, and HGH!
OK, Ken Waller was measured at 5'11.25" when he competed in the AAU as an ameteur. I'm 6'3 1/2" and I recall Ken being about 4 inches shorter than me. I never saw Ferrigno, but had him described as a little bit taller than me, so 6'4" sounds about right. Only saw Arnold briefly and he looked 6'1" or so in boots.
Don't recall about the heels, etc. But Mr. Waller's height would have been barefoot height. I asked my brother (who met Waller at least twice) and he said Waller was about 5'11 1/2" or so, just under 6 feet.
My brother is 6'1" tall. I think Ronnie Coleman was 5'10" tall. So, is their a photo of Mr. Schwarzenegger with Mr. Waller or Mr. Coleman. BTW: most natural body-builders think Joe Weider is a blight and assures body-building will never be an Olympic sport. Shame too! Used to be like Greek statues, now just look like juiced anatomy charts. :-( JMHO about "professional" bodybuilding. I think it's more like pro wrestling now.
Okay - I have new info on our pal, Stallone, and a few other hotly contested celebs. Some of you may know that I have a friend at the gym that fought Chuck Norris 3 times in the 70's. I referenced this once, when I referred to Norris' height. (My friend is a 7th degree blackbelt) Well, again, tonight, I thought about something else when I was talking to him.
This guy was not only a competitive martial artist, but also a competitive body builder in the late 60's and 70's. His name is Gil Hanson, he's 73, a retired cop, and still teaches martial arts to police academy students. Trust me, this is one 73 year old man you don't want to mess with. He can still bench 350! Tough as nails. I remembered tonight to ask him about some of the body builders he's met.
Okay, this comes from a guy who met, knew and competed next to these guys, BAREFOOT. Gil is 6'0", maybe a little under now but not by much. Gil, without hesitation, said Ferrigno was 6'4". Again, he knew Ferrigno in the 70's. He also knew Arnie a little.
Again, without hesitation, he said Arnie was "6'2", maybe bigger. He's a pretty big guy." Gil is a trained police officer, trained to notice things, and again, stood beside these guys at competitions BAREFOOT, or in normal shoes.
They weren't wearing lifts when competing! Here's the best part! I didn't even ask him, and he said he had met Stallone. Gil finished 3rd in the Mr USA (natural, I think) in 1978, he said. Stallone personally presented him with his trophy! Now, remember, this was the 70's, before any of these guys were such big deals.
Yes, Stallone was on his way, but had only just had big success with Rocky. Gil, again without hesitation, said Stallone was about 5'8". Remember, Stallone stood right next to Gil and handed him his trophy. I laughed when he told me, and told him about this web site where everybody is contesting these guys heights.
This closes the case for me. Stallone is no taller than 5'8". Arnie was 6'2". and Ferrigno was 6'4".
Okay - here's the real question - what are Loren Franc and Seymour Koenig doing in that group photo from anonymous? My 13 year old nephew's built better!
Okay, let's set the record straight once and for all to end the confusion about Arnold's height. In 1974 I trained at Gold's Gym in Venice California during the summer. At the time I was 23 years old and exactly 6'2" inches tall. I still remember the first time I saw him.
He was incredible. He was as wide as a doorway and he was 6'2" at that time because we were once standing near each other and we were eye to eye as far as height is concerned.
One thing though, Arnold's posture wasn't the greatest at all times. Look at him pumping up before the 1975 Olympia. His back is curved which detracts from his height. When he stands up straight the difference in height is dramatic.
As far as his height today, well we all shrink due to degeneration of the invertabral discs. Combine that with squatting 50 tons a day and anyone would lose some height. But let me assure everyone, In 1975 Schwarzenegger was every in 6'2" tall (Standing Straight).
I have never met Arnold Schwarznegger but I have met Ronnie Coleman in January 2006. Ronnie is listed at 5`11 but I stood right beside him and towered over him at 6 feet. I put Ronnie Coleman as low as 5'9 1/2 and as tall as 5'10 1/2. If anyone has any pictures of Arnold and Ronnie together then I feel I could make an informed opinion on Arnold`s height!
Arnold was never 6'1". In his prime he was between 6'0" and 6'0.5". He's under 6 feet today (without his "magic shoes").
I have never met Arnold but I have met Ronnie Coleman in January 2006. I stood right beside him and I am 6 feet or very close (5 11 3/4). Ronnie claimed to be 5`11 but he is definatley not that tall. I would say 5 9 1/2 minimum and 5 10 1/2 maximum. If anyone has any pictures with Ronnie and Arnold together we would be able to determine how tall Arnold is today?
From the photograph below with Arnold lined up with fellow weightlifters, The short guy Franco Columbo is listed at 5'5 on the net - that would concur with Arnold at 6'1.
Ken Waller? I know I saw that guy pose a few times. My memory of his amateur body-building days was that he could compete in either the medium OR the tall class. That would put him a bit under 6 foot. Under 5'10" was medium height class. 6 foot and over was tall class. So 5'10" to say 5'11.5" was up to the competetor.
I NEVER liked that loophole, because a guy could "duck" a tough competetor by simply choosing the other height class! UNLESS the competition had the same choice. They closed that loophole in the 80's because of that very problem. I know that doesn't help a lot. But it does mean that Ken Waller fell in the 5'10" to 5'11.5" category. Let me see what I can find.
PS: Weider exaggerates about EVERYTHING! :-) According to Joe, HE invented weight-lifting! What an ego!!! :-)
Excellent detective work there. The more I look at it I can see the group photo is doctored up. Here's a picture of Dave Draper and Arnold standing up straight talking to each other, I drew (Anonymous will like this) a red line to show that Arnold is the same height as the 6'0" Dave.
Thanks for drawing the lines, clearly Waller is shorter than Arnold so I stand corrected. Elio you bring up some good points. I have to investigate Waller's height, his height was always stated at a straight 6.0" however that may be incorrect (IFBB misinfo) he may be shorter or it may be correct and Arnold was indeed 6'1". Definitely worthy of an investigation, I'll check out the movie 'Stay Hungry' were Arnold is on stage next to Waller flexing both men are standing up straight to see if Arnold is taller. I try to get some screen captures.
Thanks for the praise. I have seen many pictures of Arnold and Reg together and Reg clearly is taller when both men are standing next to each other. Some claimed Reg was 6'2" others claim he was 6'1.5". However Reg has always claimed he was 6'1" and he said in an interview a few years ago that he was measured by Ray Beck back in 1956 at 6'1". I believe Arnold was 6'0" or 6'0.5" barefoot when he competed back in the 1960s and 1970s.
And I have seen pictures of Arnold today were he looks less than 6'0" tall and to be fair there are those pictures were he looks over 6'0" (however he was wearing shoes). I wish Arnold would guest pose (be barefoot) at his Arnold Classic or the Mr. Olympia contest and stand next to the 5'11" Ronnie Coleman, this would give us a measuring stick for his current height and either prove or rule out those elevator shoes.
I agree with you Arnold had better bicep development than Oliva, as you mentioned Oliva's upper arm size came from those mamoth triceps. 2/3s of an average person's upper arm is the triceps. That's why a lot of body builders who had good biceps but even better developed triceps still had enormous arms. Arnold and Larry Scott probably had some of the best bicep development in their day.
You know, in looking at that group photo more and more, I find it suspect. I think it may be a collage, not a single photo. In all other photos of Arnold and Draper, they are the same height. But here, Arnold looks 2+ inches taller, which is pure fantasy.
Hi Disco Man. I`ve posted the WB Records photo last week and now you`re wrong affirming that Arnold was the same height as Ken Waller in that photo. Well as you said Waller was an honest 6'0'' then you might start considering Arnold a strong 6'1''.
Disco Man - - GREAT job in presenting the pics of Arnie with Reg Park that CLEARLY show Arnold to have been at least one inch shorter in his prime than the 6'1" Park. Arnold is definitely under 6 feet today; as I have mentioned here before, my colleague had his picture taken with the future governor during his election campaign, and Arnold was definitely under 6 feet - - perhaps 5'11.5".
As for Sergio Oliva, it looks to me like most of his size was in the triceps not the biceps. I checked other Internet photos of Oliva that seemed to show the same proportions. As for pure biceps development, I think Arnold was definitely superior to Oliva. My opinion, of course.
That is true, Disco Man. Sergio himself also said in an interview that his arms were never bigger than 20.5'' and Weider just exaggerated their dimensions. And Sergio edged Arnold out in arm size.
The Arnold 22" upper arms is also a myth. Check out the below quote from Arthur Jones who measured the Arms (biceps) of many bodybuilders in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s:
'To begin with, most of the claimed measurements of top bodybuilders are simply untrue. The largest muscular arm that I ever measured -- or saw -- was Sergio Oliva.
As I said before compare picture after picture of Arnold and Reg, Reg is taller in most by at least an inch when both men stand up straight. Using the law of the averages that puts Reg taller:
Gotxo, that's a very good idea. There's a big yearly auto expo show here in Perth, Australia where I live this coming month and I think I'll go. They might have a hummer H2 there (I've been inside a hummer at one of them before). If not there, then I'll find one somewhere else sooner or later. :)
If anyone here lives in or goes to the Los Angeles area, I believe Arnold still tries to go to his cigar nights at the restaurant he founded - Schatzi's - on the first Monday of each month and dines there at other times.
Nothing against the king, although i'm republican lol. But check his bio, he was measured @ amry at 186cm, he's an oldie but i'm convinced he haven't shrunk worth nothing thing. His son was measured 197cm @ the army. Nevertheless, what was wearing Arnold (Boots again?)
I find respectable your ideas, but i don't agree with this one i give him a little over 6' at most. BTW if Bill Richardson is a about 5'11.5" i only see an inch of difference between them both and we can't see the footwear, it's the one that doesn't match with boots, but hig heeled footwear is still a possibility there.
I said it before: Arnold was as tall as the King of Spain, that would make Arnold 6`1 minimum. And in the film Dave he seems to be as tall as Kevin Kline, who is no less than 6`1. Arnold is tall, or maybe he wears lifts...
to wear lifts or not to wear lifts, that`s the question....
i agree with frank 2 ithink arnie was 6'2" and 6'1" now my father is the same age and didnt even loose 1 inch.
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I was in to bodybuilding as a teenager and read lots of Schwarzenegger stuff. If you read any of his books he always says he is 6ft 2inches. The Guinness book of records did list him as the most successful bodybuilder of all time. Mr Universe 7 times and Mr Olympia 5 times quoting his height as 6ft 1inches (And they do tend to get their facts right).
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What is not disputed though is he did have a 57 inch chest, with 22.25 inch arms in his heyday. For the last time, Arnold is well over six feet. I've met him and unless he has the best lifts in the biz he's 6'2" or very close to it. I'm 5'11" and I had to look up at him. And no, I wasn't standing in a hole.
I'm 5'11" i was taken a full body pic of myself near a hummer H2, y asked you to compare it against an Arnold full body pic @ same distance of the same car & in your eyes he's 6'.
Jason: If my memmory is good you said you're 189cm (a bit over Arnold supposed height) why don't you get a photo beside a Hummer H2 and sent it here as mean of comparing a solid 6'2" to it. Then we could know to who of the 2 is Arnold in reality closer in height.
Jason, I think Arnold was probably 6'0 in his prime. Well you say he was measured at 5'11.5 but he could have easily grown 1/2 inch more. But today he is about 5'11 and nothing more than that.
Yeah, i was conscious that the angle of the photo is not the same, i asked to a job mate to take it in a hurry, and is a bit difficult to explain to a no-poster-here (celebheightaholic?) that you want to be portrayed as Arnold.
I coincide with your opinion 100%, the camera is at a higher point in mine giving me between 1"-4cm at most. The thing is that my heels are 3cm there, the Hydro H2 pic i sent you has so high quality that allows to make out a 2" heel on Arnie's boots. A near 6' is very possible, nohting much more for him.
Get a pic of yourself in front a hummer H2 (no matter the version, all are the same height:79,2"). If you're 6' you'll see that you are even a bit taller than Arnold compared to the Hydro H2. I know because i got one and my head is in a position very similar compared to the car as Arnold's ones (the similar distance to the car, full body pic showing feet etc). The shoes i'm wearing in that pic make me 184cm and not a single cm taller.
You can get a pic as mine easily (Don't think that are more hummers in Madrid that in most american cities). You can check the height car at the official page, i invite all posters in Arnold's page to do the same and tell their experience here.
I've sent that pic to Rob to hear his judgement on it, the only possible flaw could come from the angle, in fact my head lies a bit higher compared to car than Arnold's, but correcting the angle we seem to fulfill same height, and my shoe's heel are smaller.
[Editor Rob: Gotxo, yes I've now seen your Hummer pic and compared to Arnie beside Hummer he looks in fact a 1cm shorter, although I'm not sure about the angle of yours if its making it a little more.
But if you had just given me your height for instance, and asked me to give Arnie height I'd have said struggling with 6ft!]
I saw a picture of Arnold next to Roger Moore years ago and Moore was taller. I couldn`t see the ground. I also remember a pic of Arnold next to King Juan Carlos I and they were very similar in height. King Juan Carlos was near 6`2 in his prime and now he is 70 he looks 6`1. I saw him in 1993 in Madrid and he was 1`85-86 cm. Queen Sofia was also very tall. She was my height (5`9).
Reg Park states his height was 6'1" and in every photo of Reg and Arnold, Reg is the taller man. Methinks Arnold was 6'0.5" in his prime and an inch shorter today.
Alex, I believe Brigitte was actually measured for the record (she got the record for Red Sonja) - I don't know when, though. Even if she was measured years after the movie - she's only 41 years old even today - so it's doubtful she would have shrunk any. Check the movie out, Arnold appeared the exact same height as her. He also looked no taller than the 5'11'' range against Wilt Chamberlain in Conan the Destroyer.
I would say 183 in his prime,now only 180 with lifts every time.
Yes, those pics shows an Arni slightly shorter by 1cm or two, i think the pic of the beach is not as good as the other as the ground might be uneven or the people's disposition in it. I think Arnold was at best 184cm and at worst a shade over 5'11.
the first pic of Reg and Arnold is particularly unfair, as the angle is incredibly slanted. Look a the ridiculous slope of the step behind them all.
Besides, Arnold looks practically 2 inches taller than Dave Draper in the WB records photo that Anonymous posted the link to. I'd say that usually Arnold looks about 1 inch taller than Draper. Whether it's 1 or 2 inches, if you say that Reg is taller than Arnold in that first picture then you must say that Draper is the same height as Reg or even half an inch taller.
In the second picture they're in the sea... so there's no telling how random and uneven the ground is there.
I would say that there is not an inch between these two men. More than likely they both stood about 6'1".
I find it very hard to see Arnold under 6'0 in his prime. Today, no doubt the man is 5'11, maybe as low as 5'10.5. But I don't see Arnold over 6'0 in his prime, I'd say he was exactly 6'0 in his prime.
Sorry, Danimal - Brigitte Nielson was listed in the Guiness Book of Records as the tallest actress to play a principal role at 182cm (5'11 1/2''). Rob has her listed here at 5'11 1/2''. It's not just my opinion...
As I mentioned in my previous post on Arnold vs. Reg Park (check it out, it's down a ways so you have to scroll, I have links to pics of Reg standing next to Arnold). In most pictures I have seen Reg with Arnold, Reg is at least 1" taller than Arnold. Reg was measured barefoot back in the 1950s at 6'1" (see my post for more details).
Some have said Reg was 6'2" or 6'1.5" however Reg said he was 6'1"(barefoot). Reg was very honest about his dimensions and was known for years as being a honest guy in the bodybuilding community. Reg was also the same height as Steve Reeves who was a genuine 6'1".
A picture of Reg here next to Steve both are standing 6'1": God Jason, give it a rest in trying lower everyone's height and then stating their height's as if it is fact. It is your opinion. Brigitte Nielson's height in 1984 was NOT 5'11.5". She was always listed at 6'0"-6'1". You just lower her as you do everyone else and then reference yourself as the leas source contributor to their NEW alleged height. Jason, how old are you and how are you able to spend your ENTIRE day on this site????
I rented out Red Sonja last week and Arnold was the exact same height as 5'11 1/2'' Brigitte Nielson (they were both the main stars of the movie and had loads of scenes together).
I gotta agree with what editor rob said awhile ago "arnold looked a good 6'1 in 90's films, but currently..." now prolly 6 even, although arnie can look his 6'2 with glenn and the link with him, kerry, and ford that i posted, with boots or lifts, i think he really was over 6 and this 5'10 talk is still alil ridicolous.
And pretty much confirms Arnold was never taller than 182cm/5'11 1/2''.
6'1'' when he started bodybuilding? His trainer measured him at 182cm soon after he started - that's only 5'11 1/2''. Confirms my theory that Arnold stopped growing early, though.
So true. The memory effect was also in play with Casey Viator who after an industrial accident and a allergic reaction to his treatment caused him to drop to 167 lbs when he started the Colorado experiment (i.e. he lost a lot of muscle mass because of the accident). When he completed the Colorado Experiment 28 days later he had gained 63 lbs of muscle and lost 17 lbs of fat. Of course the Art Jones HIT also helped (Have used the Art Jones methods to gain muscle naturally fairly quickly, I know it works).
I completely understand, I remember the days being 18 at 6'3" and weighing only 140 lbs about 7% bodyfat (I could eat Wendy's triple burgers without gaining a pound). I worked out like crazy, everything I ate I burned up instantly.
I could not put on the muscle mass so all I did was workout with a soloflex and got really cutup, I looked like a skinny Frank Zane. However my main problem was I used Weider supplements (anyone remember 'Weider Big' or 'Dynamic Weight Gainer') and followed the workout routines in the magazines which were designed for bodybuilders on steroids.
I am 36 and got back into bodybuilding a few years ago and have had much success, I found the Art Jones and Mike Mentzer methods have worked best for me. I workout hard in the gym and then I give myself plenty of days of rest before the next workout.
The only supplements I use are vitamins and non-GMO soy protein. My advice is to never use steroids, workout hard in the gym, give yourself enough days of rest before hitting the gym again, give yourself proper nutrition (Just as Larry Scott said success in bodybuilding is 70% nutrition), and enough protein.
Dave Draper has mentioned even bodybuilders will grow on a minimum of 100 grams of protein per day. The human body can not asorb more than 45 grams of protein per meal. So even if you are eating 6 meals a day your body at the very most will asorb 275 grams of protein. Check out Dave Draper's website it has great info that has also helped me in the quest to pack on muscle naturally:
Last night I was reading Dick Tyler's book 'West Coast Bodybuilding Scene' which is a book that has excerpts from articles Dick wrote for Joe Weider's bodybuilding magazines from 1965 - 1971 (Dick Tyler worked for many years for Joe Weider). One of the articles is an interview from 1969 which he and Don Peters interview Arnold Schwarzenegger and Arnold says he's 6'1". Here's the exerpt from the interview which is on page 292 of the book:
Dick Tyler: ....Arnold, how much did you weigh when you started?
Arnold S.: 150 pounds.
Dick Tyler: At the same height?
Arnold S.: Yes, six-foot, one inch.
Translation: Dick was asking Arnold what weight he was at when he started bodybuilding, Arnold told him 150 lbs and Dick asked him if he was the same height when he started bodybuilding as he was in 1969 at the time of the interview (22 years old). Arnold said yes he was the same height when he started bodybuilding, he was 6'1" just like he was during the interview.
And, some people forget, the memory effect, and this is a massive effect. For Arnold it`s much more easier to gain muscle because he was in his youth extremely muscular. The body remind`s that, so he can get several times faster in shape than someone who never trained.
The green muscle suit is an urban myth. The only time he wore any kind of green suit was at the end of the movie when they needed to CG in the metal underneath the skin.
It's still not possible to create undetectable cgi human bodies. Look at the Matrix Reloaded and Spiderman 2 (both released around the time of Terminator 3), it's very obvious when it's being used. And in these cases, the recreated bodies were dressed in clothes.
Besides, It would completely destroy Schwarzenegger's image if he were to 'cheat' this way.... something i don't think he'd risk. And it would feel humiliating for him on set.... he'd probably rather dress up in a chicken outfit.
The reasons for his physique being as good as it was, was down to training and eating well for a number of months and good lighting on the set.
discoman i do understand BF% i am a beginning bodybuilder and know nutrition etc but thankyou for a decent post with knowledge, its nice to know intelligent people exist lol. My dad BF% id estimate around 15%, meaning around 30lbs of him is fat, making his true muscle weight around 225lbs, but still, 10lbs isnt a lot...My BF% last check was 11.7%...I may have gone down...metabolism is s*** crazy, thats why im stuck at 155lbs on a 4000 calorie a day diet *rolls eyes*
I also cant believe how he got in great shape for t3, regardless of his real weight and he was still in awesome shape in 03 but then mid way through 04 and currently he looks tubby still prolly mad strong though, what happened??? i know he dont exercise as much but still thats a scary decline, i thought some of the pics were fake.
[Editor Rob: maybe my memory is hazy but I thought I read one of the reasons he had green suit on was to digitally add muscles etc...in T3 anyway]
Thanx glenn for your insight,it must be pretty cool to meet all these celebs in person, whether or not their cool/nice.. i was shocked at mel gibson, and robert deniro for one of the worst i "heard" they were nice guys ...i guess not. also Frank2, i meant just to meet arnold in person once,even though now of days hes prolly in the worst shape of his life i've always loved his movies and he seems like a cool guy.
I would honestly be shocked that Arnold only weighed 220-230 tops for most of his movies at standing over 6 feet though, he could be but id be shocked if he was. My dads 6'1 to 6'2, and is 200 pounds, give or take 5, depending on winter or summer.
He looks of average weight in pictures with other people or if u meet him in person, arnold "looks" at least 40 or more pounds then my dad, arnold also lifts weights my dad doesnt, meaning more weight for arnold. My dad looks lean, not thick/jacked/heavy/ like arnold. no way arnies only 20 more pounds then my dad. Arnold "rarely" looks lean.
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I agree anything lower than 4% bodyfat is not healthy. However some bodybuilders today on steroids like Ronnie Coleman have been as low as 2% body fat (it was claimed when Ronnie was around 260 lbs in competition form his body fat was 2%, I don't know what his body fat is now he is 295 lbs in competition form however it must be still less than 4%).
Arnold around early 1970s along with Frank Zane pushed the limits on low body fat percentages. Some claim Arnold during his peak in 1974 was close to 2% body fat however it may have been just under 4%, never-the-less in the 1974 Mr. Olympia contest Arnold was at his lowest percentage of body fat.
By the late 1970s and 1980s every bodybuilder was trying to go to very low bodyfat percentages. Even Casey Viator after the famous Colorado experiment where he packed on a lot of muscle in the early 1970s it was claimed he had a body fat of around 2.5%.
The body builders of the early to mid 1950s who were big and still cut up like Steve Reeves and Reg Park were natural (steroid-free) and were healthy. Steroids were first introduced in bodybuilding in 1958 with the first Dianabol pills. Reg Park was 214 lbs (52" chest and 19" arms - cold not pumped) during his 1951 NABBA Mr. Universe win, he was around 5-6% bodyfat.
Thanks for helping out Rob.never met the new superman,but my friends in vegas said he had a wall of security around him and ignored request.hopefully superman curse wont hit him.
The difference is Arnold had about 2% bodyfat when he was at his competition weight of 235 lbs. Can guarantee that if your Dad dropped his bodyfat to 2% he would not weigh a lot less than 255 lbs.
As an example if a guy is 250 lbs at 10% body fat (10% of body fat is about the highest body fat percentage you can still see a six pack of abs) that means around 25 of his total pounds is body fat. This person would have to lose a little more than 20 lbs to get down to 2% body fat, I.E. he would have to drop to about 228 lbs to be at 2% bodyfat.
The average adult male has 20% or more of bodyfat. Let's say for an example your Dad has 20% body fat which would mean he would have to drop his weight of 255 lbs at least 40 lbs to 215 lbs to get down to 2% bodyfat.
If his body fat is more than 20% than he would have to lose even more weight. Also just to give you an idea, I am 6'3" and I have been as high as 24% bodyfat and I still had a 34.5" waist. Believe me to drop down to match Arnold's 2% bodyfat, really drops your weight.
Mike - your best bet is NYC. He was here 3 weeks ago. I havn't seen him in 14 years. I heard its hard to get near him with all the secret service. It's easier meeting ex-presidents. Anyway the Best are: Tom Cruise, Dustin Hoffman, Steven Seagal, Paris Hilton, Willie Nelson, Johnny Depp, David Arquette, Billy Baldwin, Colin Farrel, LL Cool J, Lindsey Lohan.
The WORST: #1 MADONNA, Mel Gibson, Busta Rhymes, metal band RUSH, rock band Chicago, Nas, new Bond (Daniel Craig), new Superman (Brandon Routh), Patrick Stewart, Joe Jackson (new wave artist), Sisters of Mercy, Robert DeNiro, Bruce Dickheadson (Iron Maiden), David Lee Roth, Joaquin Pheonix, Reese Witherspoon, M Night shalawhatever etc. Forgive cell phone screwing up lines.
[Editor Rob: I cleaned up the post a bit as the cellphone made it harder to read. Is the Superman guy hard to get near? He's barely famous yet and acting the big man?]
Also i must add, arnolds on stage weight was 235lbs, Now he looked f**cking big for 6'2 235lbs, for that height and build, definitely 260lbs+. If he is 5'10-5'11 il agree with the 235lbs, my dads 6'2 at 255lbs odd and isnt as big as arny, so how the f**k does arny get bigger weighing 20lbs less?
Tthat my friends shows arnold at 5'11 MAX considering stallone is 5'10 in them dumb 3 inch heeled shoes he wears, stallone looked RIPPED as hell in his prime times and he stated on websites he was 155-160lbs, Now im 6ft at 155lbs which is only two inches off and im a bodybuilder, and unless 2 inches can make one hell of a difference, i look nowhere near as ripped as he did, he was either heavier-or shorter, stallones 5'7, arnold is 5'10-5'11 ish.
hey i know its alil off topic, but does anyone know if and when arnold will be coming to connecticut to visit??? i would love to see him in person, id skip school/work to see him, unless it was a final exam..lol. i would also give height feedback too.
I would be honest i wouldnt up or down him. hell id pay to get a pic with him, hes a legend, my fav actor and seems like a nice guy on tv and in person. just curios glenn who were some of your favorite and worst celebs to get pics/autographs from, meaning whose cool and not cool in person.
I posted the reply to you guys but forgot to put in my name under the 'your name' line so it posted as anonymous. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks to you and Danimal for the clarification. I did some checking since my last post and I have seen Arnold listed with a 260 lbs off-season weight on some sources on the Internet. Reason I was asking was that I have never seen Arnold claim more than 250 lbs. However some bodybuilders keep under wraps their off-season weight.
Though some classic bodybuilders in the past have exaggerated their height and weight, a lot have been very honest with giving their true height and weight. In my honest opinion I believe that Arnold barefoot is slightly shorter than his claimed 6'2" however he's no 5'11".
Dave Draper was around 6'0" and in no pictures of the two men next to each other was Dave taller than Arnold. I believe during Arnold's competition years he was barefoot at least 6'0" if not 6'0.5", he may have even been 6'1" (barefoot). We can get an idea of the general height by looking at old photographs of Arnold.
However the only way to tell for sure is to have an impartial person come forward who had measured Arnold's height in his bodybuilding days or for someone to go to the Governor's mansion and make Arnold take off his shoes and measure him head to toe. Until that happens we can only calculate as best we can.
Hey Drake, thanks for the reply. That's interesting you think Lou was really about 6'4''. He competed at 268lbs from memory (when he was young).
Danimal, Arnold in season was around 240lbs then off season yea was 260lbs like you say. Arnold now is out of shape and looks bad. I wouldn't be suprised if he weighed 190lbs right now.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but It seems that your apparant dislike of 'meatheads' and generalisation that all bodybuilders are liars is driving your opinion, as opposed to going off photographs, etc.
For crying out loud 'Disco man' - PARAGRAPH, please. I really can't be bothered to read all that. My eye-doctor has enough cash in the bank.
I have said it time and time again: no bodybuilder can be trusted to give true measurements for anything. Arnie adds a couple of inches to his frame, just like most meatheads. All the guys in my gym claim heights 1-3" above the height that they obviously are and the guv' of Cali ain't no exception.
Good catch about Serge, you're right the 'Pumping Iron' film crew did not fly to France to film him before the contest nor after the contest (they had such a shoe-string budget, they could not have done it if they wanted to). Also great point about Serge being Arnold's competition that year, it was he who was his real competition in the tall class and not Lou Ferrigno.
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The film crew just used the 'last minute entry' line to make the Arnold vs. Lou story still plausible (without it the movie lost its story). And you're right Arnold was the only last minute entry in the Mr. Olympia during that time period and it was for his out of retirement bid in 1980.
What angered Mike Mentzer and other competitors in the 1980 Mr. Olympia was the secretive nature of Arnold's entry in the 1980 Mr. Olympia. Arnold acted like he was going with all the competitors to Austrialia as a spectator.
Even on the plane he acted like a spectator. Right before the show started he suited up and announced he was competing which really angered Mentzer. Mentzer and Arnold got into a verbal face-off in the locker room when Mentzer decided he was not going to listen to Arnold's pre-contest mind games (which were made famous in 'Pumping Iron' when he taunted Lou Ferrigno in the pump-up room).
Even with the contraversy, the 1980 Mr. Olympia was one of the best, many greats like Arnold, Mentzer, Frank Zane, Boyer Coe, Casey Viator, Ken Waller, Dennis Tinerino, Chris Dickerson, etc. competed. Most of these guys were in the best shape of the careers.
Also the 52 year old Reg Park who was still in top condition was the guest poser at the 1980 contest, and got a loud applause from the audience. The downside to the event was that the results so displeased Mike Mentzer that he dropped out of competitive bodybuilding never to return. Unfortunately Mike passed away a few years ago at 49 years of age.
wow, Mike's link- Ford has REALLY shrunk. He was about 6'1 in his prime. This guy walks SOO funny now that he's in his later years. He walks like humpty dumpty, swaying from side to side. He has posture that'll even rival that of stallones.
Just curious what's your source for his highest weight during competition days as being "well into his 260's"? Arnold is quoted in several different sources including his own book "Arnold the education of a bodybuilder" that his heaviest weight was 250 lbs.
Arnold admitted during his 1968 IFBB Mr. Universe he weighed in at 240 lbs (which was too much since he was not chiseled enough to beat Frank Zane):
Arnold lists his top form measurements in his auto-biography and other sources as being 235 lbs (height: 6'2", arms (pumped) 22 inches, chest: 57 inches, waist: 34 inches, thighs: 28 1/2 inches, and calves: 20 inches). He was in these top form measurements when he competed for the 1974 Mr Olympia.
He says he weighed the same 235 lbs for the 1975 Mr. Olympia, however some believe he was 225 - 230 lbs since he had only 3 months to gain weight from the 'Stay Hungry' 200 or 210 lbs weight (Arnold claimed in his auto-biography he dropped to 209 lbs, some articles I have read said he dropped to 200 lbs, see my other post for more details). Never-the-less, Arnold was still better than all the competitors on the 1975 Mr. Olympia platform in Peteria, SA.
I would say you're right about his current weight he's probably around 210 lbs however judging from this picture, his bodyfat percentage has increased dramtically in recent years:
At Arnold's lowest weight, I figure he was down to 210. His highest weight during his competiton days was well into his 260's. for most of his earlier adult life he maintained a bodyweight of 240-250, but not in later years. 210-215 is a lot more reasonable.
Just goes to show that (lifts or not) he can look roughly his listed height... which makes me wonder why there's so many people saying he looks 5'10". I mean judging from those pics, Kerry only stands 2 inches taller. To my knowledge nobody has said they Kerry only looks 6 foot.
Found it Click Here the guys name is mark popp he has pics with several celebs george bush sr john kerry and others he has arnie by about 3-4 inches, prolly closer to 4 he has kerry by 1-2 you can open both pics up on 2 diff pages and compare, i give up on arnie too hard to tell his height, its true some pics he towers over people others he looks just a decent height.
yeah in the pics with that other body builder pearl, arnie looks close to 6'1. arnie's legs def arent short by any means, they do look long and that of a man over 6 feet tall, i just dont get why alot of people say hes 5'10 to 5'11.
I'll try to find a link with arnie and some sponsor dude, this guy is def an inch or two taller then john kerry whose 6'4 and he's more like 4 inches i think taller then arnold, arnold def looks over 6 something because there wasnt a huge gap between him and kerry being shorter then this dude.
I would agree with you, Prowse with shoes is probably 6'4" (6'3" without shoes) which would give him a height loss of around 4" since his prime. Arnold with shoes is 6'1" - 6'2" (probably close to 6'2" in the Prowse picture, he may also have slight lifts in his shoes). I would say without shoes Arnold is around 6'0" - 6'0.5"
As a side note, I gave Bill Pearl the benefit of the doubt since he claims to be 5'10", however many claim him to be 5'9" or 5'9.5" If you google Bill Pearl's height on the Internet more web pages and bodybuilding sources will say he's 5'9" than 5'10".
I didn't mean to start something with arnold's weight but if he is/was over 6 feet, there's no way i can see him under 240-250 for most of his life. When i read he claimed 220-225 for T3 i laughed my balls off, i said no way under 250 He's just huge.
One of my roomates is 5'10 and weighed 190-195 last yr, his arms are not big once so ever,mine are alot bigger, he has NO chest or shoulders, he doesnt lift weights, he plays hockey sometimes, he has decent size legs not huge or small, and his stomach is average size, i can toss him around like a football, or even a basketball.
I dont think i could do that to arnie, who only supposively weighs only 20-30 smoething more pounds then him and arnie's taller then my roomate by 2 inches and is alot bigger. every inch of height equals like 5 pounds or something like that.
Getting back to the height subject.... do we know what any of arnold's costars and friends have said of his height besides himself/glenn/ the democratic strategist/ one dude that did visual effects for predator said hes a good 6'1. ???
yeah, Stay Hungry probably had more to do with Arnold being lighter than Serge, I'll admit. If he wanted to he probably could have got to 235lbs or higher in that time, but realised that it couldn't have all been quality mass in that time.
I also think that Serge being there had an influence on him staying at that lower weight. Pumping Iron says Serge was a surprise last entrant into the competition... when in reality they just hadn't gone to France to film him in the run up to the event. The only last minute Olympia entrant that I'm aware of was Schwarzenegger himself at the '80 Olympia.
Thanks for giving the correct link. Most people seem to give Prowse 6'3"-6'4" these days (see his page). I think what this pic proves is that with the correct footwear he can look roughly his listed height.
I have seen quite a few pics of Arnold and Bill Pearl. The gap seems to range between 2 and 3 inches between the two. Based on this, I think 6'0"-6'1" could be correct.
Elio, Arnold was not only 210 pounds during most of his movies. In 1982, in Conan the Barbarian he averaged 220 pounds, dropping down to 212 for one scene.
In 1984 in Terminator he was up to 240 pounds.
In 1988, in Twins, he was 230 pounds.
David Prowse is a hard one to compare to Arnold since his bones have been suffering from degeneration for some years now. He has admitted he has lost quite a few inches. David Prowse's height was at one time 6'6.5" or 6'7" depending on the source, my guess is he has lost close to 5 inches with his bone degeneration.
Bill Pearl lists his height at 5'10" on his website (down under editor's note):
Here's some pictures of Bill Pearl standing next to Arnold during Bill's win of the 1967 NABBA Pro. Mr. Universe (Arnold won the 1967 Amateur NABBA Mr. Universe title that same day). Notice how Arnold only stands about 2" taller than Bill, this is further proof that Arnold is around 6'0" (at the very most 6'0.5") tall:
I remeber seeing him on Letterman s few times in the 90's and Letterman who is listed as 6' 1.5" looked to be about two inches taller than Arnold, and Leterman wearing running shoes and ARnold in boots.
Hi Jason: Nope, I missed Ferrigno, but personally knew a few people who saw him and met him. Usually they would say he was a "bit" taller than me. I'm 6'3.5" tall (maybe 1/2 cm less now), so I took it that they meant he was about 6'4" tall at the time.
So, since I competed at 252-256, Lou may well have competed at 260 plus. I did meet the great Steve Reeves in California once! Didn't get his autograph though. He looked 6'1" and ABOUT 215-220 pounds at that time. Though past his prime, he looked fit.
The reason Arnold weighed about 10 lbs less during his appearance at the '75 Mr. Olympia vs. his '74 Mr. Olympia appearance was he was forced to lose weight (ie: muscle mass) for the movie 'Stay Hungry' (1975).
The director of the movie thought he would look too big against the short and petite Sally Field in the movie so he requested that Arnold lose the weight which he did. Arnold dropped down to 200 lbs and he looked to be around the around the same weight as the 200 lbs 6'0" Ken Waller who played his main competition during the pose-down for the Mr. Universe competition in the movie.
Arnold only had 3 months to put on 25 lbs of muscle for the '75 Mr. Olympia contest after shooting completed of 'Stay Hungry'. If he had another extra month or two to train before the contest he probably would have been 235 lbs. Arnold also wanted to retire after the '74 Mr. Olympia however George Butler said he could only be the star of his movie documentary 'Pumping Iron' if he competed for the 1975 title.
This is why Arnold decided to make 1975, his last Mr. Olympia contest because he wanted so badly to be in 'Pumping Iron'. Of course later Arnold came out of retirement for one last bid for the Mr. Olympia title in 1980 which he won with much controversy that still lingers to this day.
I actually said 225lbs, not 220lbs (for the '75 Olympia). And I'm not alone in thinking Schwarzenegger was this weight.
"Arnold weighed 225 at the 1975 Olympia, 10 pounds more in 1974, and supposedly a few more than that at the 1973 version. In 1971 he was nearly 250."- Shawn Perine : Flex Magazine Writer and admin at Ironage.us
I have also seen John Hansen write the same thing ( Ex Natural Mr. Universe / Natural Mr. Olympia and columnist for Ironman magazine) but couldn't find the quote.
He may have lost a bit due to age and weight training.
Apparently weight lifters can loose up to 2" so it depends what his exercise regime was/is like
Regarding Arnold in Red Sonja with Brigitte Nielson, apparently Brigitte was measured at 182cm (5'11 1/2'') for Guiness World Records (tallest actress to play a principal role).
drake, did you happen to see Lou Ferrigno in person back in the day?
I recall an interview with Arnold from when he was filming ''Eraser'' and they said he was 212lbs.
Guessing weight can be murder! Let's put it this way: fat weighs LESS than the same volume of muscle. I always thought the height/weight charts were a joke! I accidently put my current weight at 208 - it's 228. Sorry! Must be trying to make my doctor happy! Yeah, as if! According to the height/weight charts I should weigh about 200 even.
And that's with a "large" frame. I would guess Arnold's current weight at 225 or so. In Predator he appeared to weigh more than his competitive weigh. The legs and butt carry a LOT of muscle if properly developed. No disrespect, but Mr. Schwarzenegger was never known for great legs. His strength was his arms and chest. BUT, today's body-builders are MUCH heavier than in Arnold's day (let alone my day)!
A ripped 225 pounder AT competition would now be probably 69 or 70 inches tall. So, if Arnold was 73" tall when he competed, 225 was just not that big. I weighed 252-256 at competition at 75.5" and got hammered for not being massive enough! So EACH inch in height made competition more difficult.
Im bad guessing weight,but with that height,he always,even now,looks 250-275. Ok guys, i know in red heat he was told to drop 10-15 pounds for the role and belushi was told to gain 10-15...he's huge now on his tv show, but thats besides the point and in raw deal, Arnie just looked big not cut but just alot of mass, commando he was def both.
If he really was only 230 or lower for most of his films I'd be shocked, his legs are def smaller then they were during his competing days, but he still has a sh*tload of muscle on him, head to toe and he seems to be respectably tall which makes your overall weight alittle higher then if he was short.
Maybe he just appears more heavier then he actually is. I heard president Bush is like 190 something and is in good overall shape, if Arnie was only 30 plus pounds more I'd be shocked, Bush wouldnt scare me in a fight Arnie would.
@ elio, sure the quads are responsible for a few pounds, but you can see his legs in more movies than just the Terminator. 220 lbs in Pumping Iron, are you joking? Even in most of his movies he was about 230 lbs, it depends, for example in Predator he looked a few pounds heavier than in Red Heat.
In the audio commentary of the T3 DVD he said he was about 223 pounds when shooting the scene. But it is true, that Arnold always looked about 20 pounds or so heavier then he really was.
He was definately no more than 220lbs in T3. In fact, for most of his films he was only around the 210lbs mark. As a comparisson, at the end of Pumping Iron at the 1975 Mr.Olympia, Arnold competed at 225lbs, NOT 235lbs as claimed in the opening stages of the film (he dropped weight close to the event in order that his real competition (Serge Nubret) did not outclass him in terms of definition).
Some people are just lighter than they look. Schwarzenegger himself has claimed that his bone structure is quite slender. His 'large' ribcage is more down to the length of those bones, rather than their thickness, and also helped in making him look heavier/bigger than he actually is.
Another thing to consider is, in most of his movies not all of his body is visible (Terminator being the notable exception), so the main bodypart he's had to focus on has been his arms. I'd guess that for a lot of movies where his legs aren't visible that they were MUCH smaller than in contest shape. Bear in mind, legs (particularly upper legs) have a large contribution to overall bodyweight.
But the thing is i don't get why alot of people not everybody says hes 5'10 to 5'11. I'm 6'2 i doubt i would have Arnold by 3 to 4 inches i mean if i went side by side with him, i know im def taller then him now even though im 23 years old hes 58, no one claims im under 6.
yeah glenn i think he was a good 6'1 to 6'1.5 when he was younger, now hes prolly an inch shorter. the thing with arnold is because hes so big and has a huge frame hes prolly taller then people think. skinny people "look" taller then what they are. the one thing i think arnold does lie about is his weight. im not talking his governor weight,or his bodybuilding weight, but his weight when he was in all those action films.
I think he said he was like 220 for T3, not a chance!!!! whether hes 5'10 to 6'2, a man with that much muscle is alot more then 220. When u saw him Glenn in the early 1990's how much would you guess his weight around? Even in that pic he's like 2.5 times ur size.
James Christian wasn't in the final call-out (that evening). So, he was like 6th or 7th place. THAT was the cause of part of the arguing, as I recall the winner of the tall category went on to win the AAU Mr. America title. He was Polish or Czech-America (as I recall). I THINK his name was Szkalak (sp), but don't remember his first name.
There were tall, medium, and short categories. There was oddly - a most muscular title in those days, and it seemed that was almost never a tallish guy. That guy was Joe Mams, Mems, something like that. It was (and probably IS) very difficult for a tall man to go far in body-building then.
I was told I was "lanky" at a competitive weight of 256 pounds! Body-builders tend to "look" shorter due to body mass. Now at 208 pounds, I LOOK taller.
And tall body-builders have a habit of appearing to be less massive than they really are. Anyway, Mr. Schwarzeneggar didn't look like he would have been 6'2" barefoot to my eyes, then. But he looked taller than 5'10"... I thought he LOOKED 6' at the time. Frankly, tall men often get their height over-estimated. My 5'4" mother-in-law INSISTS I'm 6'6".
I agree with you mike.I think he is 6-1 minimum.maybe he was 6-2 once.
Thanks Drake for clearing that one up. Good sighting. Do you happen to remember who won the overall? I'm assuming James Christian didn't place too highly?
The bodybuilding contest in 1976 was the Mr. America, western division. That's not a professional BB contest in the sense that there wasn't a big money purse. Divisions were by height (unlike Weider's IFBB), not by weight. Mr. Schwarzenegger was there to promote Weider suppliments and weight-lifting equipment.
The gentleman he was standing beside was named (I believe) James Christian. I didn't compete in that contest; I was a judge. My competing days ended 8 years before then. Contest photos of me? I'm flattered, but there's no photo of me beside Arnold (I was a judge). :-) I didn't personally measure either man (uh, or touch them in any way). NOW DON'T GO CRAZY Mr. Elito, I'm just kidding! Mr. Christian was LISTED as 6'1", 235 lbs on his score card. I remember because HE was the tallest BB in that contest.
He certainly looked 6'1" to 6'2" from my 6'3 1/2" tall perspective. Mr. Schwarzenegger was in clothes (as he wasn't competing either). He was wearing some kind of "skin" boots and appeared to be about the same height as Mr. Christian when standing near him. Don't recall how high the heels were, but I don't recall them being abnormally high.
People can look taller or shorter at different times. I was always told I was way too tall to be a bodybuilder. This was on a high school stage (body-building was not very respectable then). Arnold COULD have been 6' or 6'0.5" tall then. Maybe Mr. Christian under-stated HIS height (possible with body-builders at that time). Tall body-builders were often judged as "bean poles". Not by me, of course.
Also, a body-building contest is a madhouse, not a bland setting. I don't know whether Mr. Schwarzenegger was a "nice" guy or not. I never had the oppertunity to speak to him. I was pretty busy ARGUING and speaking with the other judges (one had been tippling, we thought). I did notice the big gap between Arnolds two front teeth.
I certainly have nothing against the guy (unless you mean a few silly movies and a few pretty good ones). From what I saw with my own (then) 20/20 vision, he looked about 6 foot then and I would say about 230 pounds. Certainly in shoes or boots he could look 6'1" or 6'1.5".
Red bull I use to believe it, but after seeing Arnie next to my 5'10 inch friend in a pic during his recent visit to Shanghai, and he barely looked taller then him, I no longer believe it.
Hello! When Mr.Arnold was face to face with Robert Patrick in T-2, there wasn't a big difference between them, about 5 cm max. And we know that Mr.Arnold used some boots so I think he was a good 6'1" in 90's and 6'0,5" now...which is a good height! Even for a Mr.Olympia !
I'm attending a big black tie affair next week. I hear Arnold will be there. I'll once again check him out. I'm not one for taking a camera along, not to these shindigs. Too many folks who know me would think I've lost my mind if I did and started posing next to these celebs. But if anyone else has a camera and will take a shot of me with Arnold I'll publish it here. I know he's well-over six feet.
Oh yeah, I forgot, I think 6'0" is a good estimate. could be an inch less...could be an inch more (5'11 to 6'1) which would make him 6'2 in shoes. Wouldnt you ppl agree?... Also 6'0" people can easily look 6'2" if standing really straight and wearing the right clothes.
Heck, If I was a movie star I would add 2 inches too. I would put like 5'11 so people would guess my real height("RedBull is lying about his height, hes really 5'9!! (my real height).
That pic is from 1992.I saw him a bunch of times between 1990 and 1992.never again.he always looked 6-2. No one really does know how tall Arnold is but i really can't believe he's only 5'10. I know 5'10 is only average height, but if your that height in alot of pictures you won't look tall at all.
Even in his govenor pictures as current as this past year and last year, he's still taller then most people in random pictures. When your all dressed up, you have to wear boots or loafers which give anyone alil more height then sneakers. I don't think Arnie could've lied or gotten away with his claim of 6'2 and only been 5'10, for so long.
He may have fibbed an inch back in the day, but not much more then that, and hey who doesn't round up?? A million of people have met this man and his height is supposively all over the place. Alot of teachers must know his "real" height because he did/does/ or used to do alot of work at school gyms playing and exercising with kids..he has to be in shoes for those exercises. Also in T3 the dvd extra part hes on the treadmill in sneakers, everyone on that set knows how big he is,even w/o his big boots on for the movie scenes.
Also in that pic with Glenn he does look 6'2, maybe he had on regular boots and Glenn had sneakers, which would subtract 1 inch in their height difference, meaning he's more like 6'1. There's No way a 5'10 man could be that much taller then the 5'8 Glenn, but alot of people do claim he's under 6 feet. Glenn do you think he was/used to 6'1 to 6'2 now what do u think he is 6'0?? more/less?? just curious since you were lucky to meet him and get a pic/autogaph, even though it was over 10 years ago.
I'm just butting in with some generality here. We all know that each guy adds an inch to their height when you talk to them. Usually the only ppl that don't are the ones that are 6'6" (Michael Jordan) or taller. I sell suits and measure ppl up for a living. I'm no expert, but have found that I am quite good at it, whereas I used to have no clue. We had a guy come into work, he ordered a custom suit, and i had to ask... "So did you hit 7 feet, sir?" "Well, yeah if i stand up really straight, but i'm actually 6'11 3/4".
I am always required to write down height information for rental customers. Almost every time, anyone under 6 foot has to reach an inch higher. Or anyone which i'm sensing any self awareness from. I've had guys as tall/short as me say they are 6 foot. I laughed one time and wrote it down. I said "oooooo. K. " I'm 5 freaking 8, maybe taller since that was my 17yr old height and now i'm 26.
But at work my shoes might add an inch, maybe. But all I do is work with a measuring tape. I always get jealous of those construction guys who can tell exactly how long or wide my car is, but i know f**k all about those dimensions. But height, weight, chest, etc. i'm getting good at.
Its always those guys who I think are 5' 10" that end up saying they are 6'. I don't really believe this about Arnold. I think he must be 6', no less. I have seen your guys' pics and here is my reasons why. The eye is decieved by clothing. This is why we recommend certain types of collars to certain guys, and stripes and so on. No 4-5 button tuxedos for ppl my height, its not flattering.
This would all be cleared up by an official measurement, OR a basketball recruiter who wasn't recruiting him. I am Bruce Lee/Tom Cruise height, they are short compared to many beef (hormone injected) eaters from America. But I'm not Mel Gibson height 5'6", to me, thats short. My Uncle saw him at a pub in Scotland (a local i went to but I had moved!!!) and said he was just this little guy trotting around.
So yeah, I think he's 6'. Maybe more. I havent seen much of him now, which isn't really important. We all shrink into tiny old men. I don't think there are any "lifted shoes" or whatever, unless he has a leg difference problem. And I'm American mostly, I use inches, not centimeters.
Just watched "The Red Sonja". BIZARRE movie, but not the worst I've seen Mr. Schwarzenegger in. :-) He looks about the same height as Bridgett Neilsen (sp???) in most scenes. How tall was (is) she? Of course, most people would seem "squat" compared to Wilt. Arnold cold look ~ 6'2" at times, but more like 6'0" or 1" at other times.
Being so broadly built can make one look shorter. I also think very heavy lifting can damage the spine. But I recall Arnold fueding with Mike Mentzer in the 70's about HOW to bodybuild and I recall Arnold being more of a "lighter weights/ higher reps" kind of guy! :-) I've SEEN George Bush Jr. and he's about 5'11" -11.5" in boots.
Arnold is at least an inch taller than him. Not seeing both men's footware, who knows, but Arnold never looked less than 6'0" to my eyes in any pic. If Bush wears cheaters, Arnold could be a solid 6'1" or a bit more.
Here is a very actual pic, at the ASC06:
http://www.powerlifting-selsam.com/n06.htm
(you have to scroll down a little bit)
The powerlifter on his right is 5ft8, he stand straight, Arnold doesn`t.
Arnold look like 185 cm there.
When Arnold was working on True Lies at Fox and I talked to him about his Hummer vehicle which at the time he had just purchased (In fact he ended up with three!). I noticed he wore what looked like regular lace-up shoes and he was at the very least 6'1". We stood talking for at least twenty minutes. What a nice man! One of the very nicest in Hollywood. I'd say he was 6'2" at one time. He just looks so broad that it's sort of an optical illusion. But as you walk up to him you end up looking up at him!
Reg Park said in an interview that he was measured by Ray Beck in 1956 at 6'1": http://www.naturalstrength.com/history/regpark2.htm
Here's a few pictures of Reg standing a little taller than Arnold:
http://davedraper.com/gallery/data/510/8davelonbacklg.jpg
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/park/rp100.jpg
http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/park/rp163.jpg
http://www.bodybuilding.cz/zavazky/images/park_a_jeho_zaci_b.jpg
Arnold's flat hair in these pictures put him at a disadvantage. I would say Reg is around 1/2" or 1" taller if you subtract the hair. In the link that Mark posted below where Arnold looked taller than Reg:
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/arnold.html - notice how Arnold's feet are higher in the picture this gives the allusion that Arnold is taller.
However if you were to cut the photos of the two and match up the feet so they were level, Reg would be taller. If you compare picture after picture of Arnold next to Reg, most pictures will show Reg is just slightly taller than Arnold.
I believe that Reg Park is indeed 6'1" barefoot, especially if you compare him to other famous people he has stood next to in different pictures. As an example see Reg Park in this picture with 6'5" Lou Ferrigno: http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/park/rp185.jpg
Though Reg has shoes on and Lou does not and Reg is closer to the camera which would give him another advantage of an inch or two. He looks to be standing a good 6'2" or more in shoes.
If I would have to bet I would say that Arnold is probably 6'0 1/2 or 6'0 barefoot.
Arnold seems to be another height chameleon. Sometimes I think he looks 5'10ish and sometimes I think he truly does look 6'1-6'2. That's why I think there has to be some truth to him being 5'10, 5'11, his height just seems to fluctuate too much. Too many people have claimed he is under 6' and what of these stories about his boots being heavily guarded?
I just watched the 2005 Arnold Classic bodybuilding contest. Schwarzenegger has sponsored this contest for a few years now. Dexter Jackson won the contest and stands 5'6" in bare feet. Standing next to Arnold and shaking his hand for awhile, Dexter Jackson--barefoot on stage--looked no more than 6 inches shorter than Arnold in his shoes.
The top of Dexter's head came up to Arnold's eyebrows...probably closer to a 5 inch rather than a 6 inch height difference. Although Arnold looked tall compared to other people on stage, he certainly didn't look 6'2". My best estimate is 5'11" to 6'0". Yeah, Arnold looked like a solid 6ft2 in that pic.
Anonymous, I just saw your photo. I don't know how you can tell they're in the same level ground or what type of shoes they have on, when the shot is from the chest up. For the record, I'm not saying that he's under 6"0 per say. I've never met him. I'm saying yeah it's possible.
A Four-holer is a privy with four openings.
I don't think he's over 6"0 no. If I had to guess I'd say 5"11-6"0. I sincerely believe IMO he was NEVER 6"2. And once and for all, what is Bridgette's height?? cause I really don't know. I thought around 5"11 but I don't know.
Come on, i posted a link to a photo with Brigitte and Arnold and seemed that no one noticed my post. Rob, if this is for Arnold's height today he needs a downgrade to 5'11 for now.
The picture with Arnold, Wilt and Andre comfirms Arnold to be about 6'0 and nothing more than that. But I tell you in those terminator movies the man looked like 6'1-6'2 but the pic with wilt and andre is better showing he was never that tall legit. Today hes 5'10-5'11. Somewhere in that range.
Saw Red Sonja the other night for the first time. Despite people saying that Brigitte looked taller than him, I saw Arnold being a clear inch taller than her in all but the very last scene (where they appear the same height on uneven, rocky ground). So I really doubt he was/is under 6'0".
Jone, ask him to go under a height rod and take a picture with his shoes off, then you'll know for sure! :)
He seemed to have 'very long' legs when he was younger, barefoot onstage. Of the photos I see of him these days, he legs don't seem to be 'too' long. My point is, either his legs have shrunk AND he's wearing lifts ... or they haven't shrunk at all, in which case He'd look like he was on stilts if he wore 3"+ lifts.
elio, you don't think he looks to have long legs because he wears lifts? Couldn't that be why he looks to have VERY long legs?
I believe Arnold was 6'0 in his prime and now more 5'11 but in the pic with Andre and Wilt he looks only 5'10 though which is weird.
In that pic with Glenn, Arnold looks more like 6'2 to me.
I wonder if Arnold's proportions have anything to do with some extra 'shrinkage'. The man has always had VERY long legs in comparisson to the length of his torso.
I always thought most height loss would occur from spine compression, but maybe if Arnold's suffering from some form of osteoporosis he's lost an inch or two from his (once very long) legs?
One thing that's always made me think he doesn't wear 'huge' lifts is that with such long legs already, adding 2-4" to them would make the guy look bizarrely out of proportion. Even if Arnold is/was only 5'11, his inside leg measurement looks to be at least 36". With lifts, he could end up with an inside leg measurement of around 40", which I think would look weird on anyone under 6'4".
I am sorry but I cannot fathom that Arnold is 5'10". That's my height and I would be amazed that he could get away with that type of illusion all these years. Being that he competed barefoot a lot of times during his Mr Olympia years, I think anybody with eyes would have been able to see the difference between someone who is 5'10" versus someone who claims to be 6'2".
Which is why I think it makes more sense that he was likely 6'1" in his prime. The difference between 6'1" and 6'2" is not easily noticable. I have two good friends of mine. One is 6'0" and the other is 6'2" and often times, they look very close in height.
Same goes for another friend of mine who is 5'11". We often look very close in height with me being 5'10". An inch or error is possible. But 2 or more? I don't buy it. My opinion is that Arnold peaked at 6'1" and is now closer to 6'0". An inch loss of height for someone approaching 60 is not unusual.
I think Arnold's taller than 5'10''. Some people are gonna underestimate. An example: I was only 5'11'' when I turned 18 and was at the doctor's for a physical, the doctor was about to measure me and asked how tall I was out of curiousity, as we were chatting, and guessed 178cm (a flat 5'10'').
I said no, 181cm (5'11 1/4'' - my height at the time). So, I flipped off my thongs (flip flops for you North Americans) and he proceeded to measure me - I had a shaved head at the time, too - and voila - came in at the 181cm I said I was.
An old boss of mine claimed he stood next to him in an airport in 1991 and said about 5"10 as well. I don't know about that, but I think 5"11 is workable. figure guys, if your 5"11, depending on your posture or shoes you can look an inch taller easily enough.
One of the partners at the firm where I work met Arnold. He claims Arnold is about 5'10".
That's all cool Elio, and that was a classy response I may add. Your not alone either. You see, I've been accused quite a bit of unintentionally offending folks in my own personal life by saying this or that. So I guess you could say I'm kind of speaking from first hand experience.
Schwarzenegger taller then reg park barefoot http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/arnold.html
Frank, you make a fair point. However, just so you know, as far as that Ferrigno post was concerned, I only added '(as you claim)' purely because you said that you were 5'10" . and you had written that 'This was 1985, so I may have been like .05 of an inch taller right?'
So you didn't actually state 5'10.5". The '(as you claim)' should have probably been a '(as you suggest you were at the time)' as this it what I was meaning. I definately wasn't calling you a liar, in either your height or meeting with Ferrigno.
But I recognise that I have behaved badly on here sometimes. Yes, it's true that this is an opinionated forum, and I have said things that were not polite, which I thought then were important. But now I recognise that I have offended people. And to those people that I have offended, I want to say to you, I am deeply sorry about that, and I apologise, because this is not what I'm trying to do.
Elio, in fairness to Brett, I can see where he could be sensitive to those comments below. I have posted on Ferrigno that I spent an afternoon with him during a grand opening of the gym I used to work at. Which I certainly did and know what I saw. "If you were 5'10.5" (as you claim).." you posted in a portion of a rebuttle to my post in the Ferrigno catagory.
Wouldn't you consider that pretty sarcastic to say to a person you don't even know? I got no problem with people saying they disagree with me. Hell I've disagreed with some things people post. But, in the future you may want to think through the wording before you post. In lieu of some responses you got here like Nolifts81 and Brett you see it can be taken personal insult. That's all.
Brett, did you or did you not write: 'he is looking no bigger then 5'9" John Bon Jovi ( maybe smaller haha).' All I did was quote this and figured that to write it you must want to get this man downgraded. If you truly read that message over, then surely you must see how it would be natural to come to this conclusion?
I have never discussed any individual encounters of yours that you have posted here. All I said was that there are a lot of people which make up encounters (which was the only sarcastic part of the message), and not that you were necessarily one of those.
I've no problems with anyone who thinks that Arnold is under 6 foot. I'm no fan of his, but personally believe he isn't quite as short as others think. For example, I've disagreed with Jason plenty of times on this forum, but still respect his opinion cause that's just how he's interpreted the 'evidence'. I've just interpreted it differently is all. Also, neither of us have ever resorted to 'name calling'.
hey everyone, i've never met arnold, but did you know that he was to star opposite Stallone in the movie Face/Off instead of Travolta and Cage?? The premise of the movie is that two nemises change faces through a surgical procedure in order to switch identities.
This means that in order for Stallone a Arnold to be cast in those roles, they would have to be very near the same height. I've heard many places that Arnold IS 5'10" and wears lifts....and if Stallone is not a big guy then Arnold must not be either.
I would believe 5'11 1/2" for his prime based off of the recently posted images on this page. About the NFL heights? No not really. Lynn Swan when he played for the Steelers admitted they fudged his height AND weight to seem bigger. My nephew played for B.C. they listed him at 6"3. He is only 6"1.
Yes, that is correct. Katz played for the Jets I believe. I am assuming NFL heights are more accurate? And as I mentioned, Katz and Arnold were in numerous scenes together; I have the extended DVD of Pumping Iron with Out-takes. In one scene, Katz and Arnold are directly next to each other. Seem eye to eye to me.
My best estimate of Arnold's height in his prime is 5'11 1/2'', so 6'0'' Dave Dupre appearing about a half inch taller than Arnold sounds right to me.
6'1'' could be a football listed height for Mike Katz. He used to play in the NFL, even when he was a bodybuilder. He'd work out with Arnold in California during the summers.
Elio, lets have it your way and say Dave lied about Arnold's height. What's the explaination for Bridgette Neilson? I don't know her height, BUT, come on she's not 6"3. And I don't think they would've used any "special effects" to make her appear the same height or TALLER than HIM. Watch the movie and you'll see.
Arnold doesn't look too tall in that pic with Billy Graham even if you discount Graham from the picture and just look at Arnold. Looks a bit too stumpy to be 6'1''-6'2''.
I visited a waxwork figure of him that was stated as being exactly his height and build in Madame Tussaud's in London. I'm 6 ft 1 and I was definitely an inch or two taller than the model. I'd say 5 ft 10 or 5ft 11 if the dimensions were correct.
I noticed the same thing when I last watched Red Sonja. In that movie, given that Brigitte is about 6', Arnold looks about 5'11-6'. It's funny cause my wife and I have had this dicussion numerous times in the past about Arnold's height. She's the type who believes Arnold was all of 6"2. I remember as a kid in the old Muscle Builder mags seeing photos of him.
Though I thought he was huge, didn't appear to be over 6"0. A good example I just recalled, if you watch the old film "Red Sonia" with he and Bridgette Neilson, he wasn't taller than her. They both had a kind of leather mocassin strap boot on for the film characters they played.
Now, I don't know how tall she is, but in various scenes including a kiss, they looked to be the same height or she seemed taller. I don't think it outrageous to think Arnold isn't over 6"0.
The reason that I said 'a couple of people here were desperately hoping for' rather than 'nolifts81 was desperately hoping for' was that I do not think you fall into this catagory. I meant a few others on this board.
Namely Brett who writes stuff like 'he is looking no bigger then 5'9" John Bon Jovi ( maybe smaller haha). ' , showing he finds the idea of downgrading this man pleasurable. And people like Viper652 who repeatedly demands that Arnold gets downgraded to 5'10 - 5'10.5" and believes that he speaks for EVERYONE on this board, as shown in his post 'I think If Rob brought Anrold down to 5-10.5 everyone would be happy.'.
Then of course there are the bogus testemonies of people who claim to have met (or know someone else who has met) this man. These often follow the format of :
I met [CELEB X] last year at a premiere, I stood right next to [CELEB X] and shook [CELEB X]'s hand. We were stood on level ground. I looked right down into [CELEB X]'s eyes. They must have only come up to my shoulder. I'm [CELEB X's LISTED HEIGHT]. My friend who was with me confirmed what I thought. [CELEB X] is [CELEB X's LISTED HEIGHT MINUS 3-6 INCHES]. Real nice person though. '
Guidelines:
1) create a bogus, bland setting (movie premiere will do fine)
2) pretend you either got right next to, or shook the hand of the celebrity.
3) remember to state that conditions were perfect (e.g floor was flat)
4) State that you are the celeb's listed height or perhaps an inch or two less.
5) exaggerate that you 'towered' over the celeb. Or if the celeb is more than 3 inches taller than you, say you looked directly into their eyes and you so must be equal height
6) Pretend to have a witness to confirm your story.
7) Remember to say that the celebrity was a 'nice guy' or 'friendly' to disguise the fact that your motive is to get the celebrity downgraded on the basis that you dislike them.
In contrast, nolifts81, you have come to think as Arnold as less than his listed height by carefully examining the evidence and drawing your own conclusion without bias. Which I have no problem with.
When I was in california in 1980 I met Dave Dupre and hung out with him through a mutual friend of ours. He is in Pumping Iron and worked out with Arnold , Lou etc. Dave is all of 6"0, I'm 5"10 and I would say 6"0. He told me and I have no reason to doubt, Arnold was just a little shorter than he. (So 5"11) In a group photo he had of all of them, and they're barefoot, Arnold DID look just a smidge under Dave. I'd say maybe a half inch.
The picture of Arnold and Graham shows at least a 4" difference, Arnold is hunched over and Graham is wearing (small) shoes, however Arnold is not bent at the knees and is on his toes a slight amount, I can't see arnold being with in 4" of Graham all things equal. If Graham is 6'3.5" in the pic, Arnold is not 6', never has been, I hate to say it fans.
Yeah elio i agree with what u say too, ill try getting some stallone willis pics, regardless of which of the 2 looks taller...i really believe willis is taller, but stallone "looks" taller in the majority of their photos ive seen,mostly with arnie in their pics too, theres alot of pics when all 3 owned planet hollywood.
Well stallone only claims to be or used to be 5'10, many say barely 5'9, but looks 5'11.5 next to denzel washington, i think hes the king of lifts, his legs dont look long at all even if he's somehow a good 5'10. i also like the part where elio says "Also, anyone who thinks Arnold wears elevators but Bush doesn't is nuts."...
To be honest if i was bush's size 5'10.5 to 5'11.5, and i knew id be seen with the legend big arnie, i wouldnt mind wearing some nice footwear if u know what i mean, to look good next to him and i didnt mean graham would wear big sneakers, its just prolly any sneakers r a good 1.5 inches.
I do know there more then 1 though. I just feel bad for big arnie when alot of people make it out likes hes short or barely 5'10, when others around the same height as him dont get ridiculed at all.
Elio- I am not "desperately hoping for a downgrade". I think that the 6ft could be right. In the past I was sure that he was 6'2", but now I think that certainly he isn't 6'2". P.S. He could be 6'2" or 6'0" don't matter for me.My life go on However.
The picture with Arnie and the 6'3.5" Billy Graham, does show a good 5 inch gap ( at least this much), As if Arnie straightened, the top of his head would still be below Grahams Eyeline, meaning hes atleast 4.5 -5 inches shorter then Graham, as that is the distance from ones eye to the top of ones head. Seeing I think Arnie would be lower then his eyeline, he could be even more than this in that pic.
But the pic does show Arnie to be under 6'0" tall if Graham is infact 6'3.5". I am sure that Arnie around 6'0" or even over in his youth, but no doubt hed lose height from the type of exercise he did. I mean look at that Quote from Billy Graham below, that said he use to be 6'3.5" now hes under 6ft, thats alot of shrinking!! ( no doubt due to the weights he did, lifting hundreds of pounds above your head is asking for it) Im sure Arnie has shrunk too.
One other thing, my mums friend whoes 5'4" claims to have met stallone in LA around 15 years ago, and she said he was maybe 3 inches taller then her, I mean there is no point discussing whether or not that man is tall, he is the most well known Lifts user known to man, and no doubt he has differnt sizes , depending who hes going to be standing next to, I mean hes in pics with Denzel W, and he looks just as tall as him, so you cant use him as a means to guess other celebs heights by, as his height changes with the weather.
The guy was 1,87 (6'1 1/2), now for age maybe 1,84 (6'0 1/2).
I agree with much of what you say Mike.
Just a couple of things I don't agree on.
I've personally not seen any pics where Stallone looks taller than Willis. Only one pic with them both on and Willis seemed an inch taller.
- I don't think the sneakers that Graham wore would add 2 inches to his height. Most formal shoes only add around the 1.5" mark. However as I have said, I don't think Graham has more than 3-4" on Arnold in those photos due to Arnold bending over considerably (and perhaps a 0.5" - 1" gain for Graham by wearing shoes ). Very hard to judge because of these elements. But it paints a picture of a ~6'1" Arnold. Certainly not the 'downgrader' scandal that a couple of people here were desperately hoping for.
I agree with what you mention about Stallone being considerably shorter than Arnold yet appearing as tall (with shoes) as Denzel and others. Also, anyone who thinks Arnold wears elevators but Bush doesn't is nuts.
Too many male celebrities are known for wearing elevator shoes -- http://www.celebheights.com/a/23.html
for pics like that to have any value in making accurate height estimates. For me to believe that Arnie is taller Travolta, I'd have to see them *barefoot* together. My hunch is that Arnie was around 6'0.5" in his prime, and has since lost roughly an inch to old age. That still makes him above average height (and thus *somewhat* tall), just not the towering figure everyone expects him to be.
Im an arnie fan but im not trying to get him upgraded or downgraded. but if he were to be downgraded, something would have to be done with stallone, willis, travolta, bush and washington, maybe even barry bonds if hes on this site..lol, heres the facts...
arnie is taller the 5'11 bush in like 80% of their pics, hes 2-4 inches taller then 5'9 stallone in their pics, he's 2-3 inches taller then 5'11 willis in their pics, hes taller then 6'0 travolta in that one pic,even if arnie's shoewear was 2 inches bigger then travolta's shoewear, hed still be at 6'0 or6.05, considering travolta's height, gotta find more pics of these 2, but heres the wildcard ...stallone...
he can be as tall as 6'0 denzel washington in their 1 pic, whereas barry bonds is 6'1 to 6'2 has mr washington beat by barely an inch,stallone is taller then willis in almost all their pics, i havent seen any of stallone and travolta to compare, my point is arnie is just as tall as all these guys or taller, and we know all their listed heights. also for the graham wrestler pics, sneakers do add more closer to 2 inches to height, exp me barefoot 6'2 and my 2 buddies who r 6'0 even in sneakers ..
you cant tell a diff in height between us but if we both go barefoot or in reg sneakers u can clearly see a 2 inch difference, i dont know why but thats how it is, you honestly have to compare people in same conditions meaning barefoot to barefoot or reg sneakers/boots to someone else thats in reg sneakers/ boots, to get accurate measurements/comparisions
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-177-28.html
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I’m doing some research for a novel on the Aztecs, and I have a question relating to clothing and attire. What did the Aztecs wear both informally and formally. And what was the difference between - royalty, nobles, and commoners? Thx. (Answered by Ian Mursell/Mexicolore)
Not having time just now to prepare a full illustrated guide to Aztec clothing styles we thought a good way to answer this question would be to quote a short section from the book The Aztecs Then and Now by Fernando Horcasitas (Minutiae Mexicana, Mexico City, 1979) which contains a concise summary and spot-on illustrations by the famous Mexican illustrator Alberto Beltrán...
‘The maguey or century plant furnished the masses of the people with their clothing, because the common man used cotton only on rare occasions, it at all. The fibres were extracted from the maguey leaves, spun into thread on spindles and woven on narrow belt looms, one end attached to a post or tree and the other to the weaver’s waist.
In this way narrow strips of cloth were produced, to be cut or sewn together as the case might demand. One must not imagine, however, that this material was of the texture of a burlap [coarse hessian fabric] bag: the pre-Conquest natives were capable of creating thin, soft cloth, comparable to cotton or wool.
‘The common man dressed in a loincloth passed between his legs and draped around his waist. He also wore a mantle to cover his shoulders, much like today’s sarape.
This was tied at the right shoulder. He either went barefoot or wore sandals woven of maguey fibre; the general use of rawhide sandals dates from Colonial times, when the skins of larger animals became plentiful. His hair was shoulder length, and in his ear lobes, pierced at birth, he displayed ear-plugs of shell, wood, green stone or some other material. Hats were not worn.
‘Women wore a cueitl or skirt, consisting of a long strip of cloth wrapped around the waist and held in place by a sash. In the Valley of Mexico they also wore a huipil, a long shift-like blouse. Among the Otomí, Huastecs and other peoples the quechquémitl (see Pic 1) was worn.
It is interesting to note that stone sculptures of the Aztec goddesses often show them clad in the quechquémitl, although it was not typical of Tenochtitlan.
For the hair-do, two long braids were twined towards the front, rising on the sides of the head somewhat like horns. Aztec women of all classes wore ear-plugs, rings and necklaces of green stone beads and other materials. Head-covering was generally absent.
‘Regarding the ceremonial dress of rulers, military officers and priests, an illustrated book several times the length of the present one might cover the subject satisfactorily.
It is sufficient to note here that headdresses made of exquisite gold-green quetzal feathers, feather mantles done in intricate patterns, sandals of jaguar skin adorned with jewels and gold pieces, and a thousand other luxuries covered the persons of the ruling group.
Pearls, jadeite, rock crystal, gold, silver, copper, the finest embroidered cotton textiles - all indicated love of display and the importance of identifying one’s position in society.’
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